whats best....12FV or 10FP help me out

[TDK]

im looking for a new centerfire for long varmint shooting...past 250Yrd's
im looking in the $1000

looking at savage bolt and rem bolts
10FP
12FV
or?

and AR-15's
rock river
DPMS

i have a ruger M77 MKII 223 sport.. and it will do the job but just not as good as i think it can ...so im looking for a bull BBL gun

what do you guys think what cal...223,22-250,243,308,22 hornet,

[82boy]

The 10fp and the 12fv are basically the same gun, the only difference is the 10fp has a coating instead of bluing, a 24 inch barrel over a 26 in barrel and a extra sling swivel. they will both shoot the same.

My favorite varmint cartridge is the 22/250 I perfer a bolt gun over a AR platform. I perfer a Savage over a Remington

[kslefty]

I would personally go with the FV in a 22-250. Should be able to get one for around $500, put a VLP stock on it and a good scope and you are right around $1000 with a very nice gun that shoots real well.

[dcloco]

Go with a 12 FV in 204 - the 204 outperforms the 22-250 in just about every category.


OR.....buy an action from Northlander, an aftermarket barrel, a nice laminated stock, an aftermarket SSS trigger from sharp shooter.......and you will STILL have money left over.

[kslefty]

No one will ever convince me that the .204 is all that. I owned 1 for a while and my brother still has his. I am not impressed with 40gr bullets even at advertised speeds. We tried quite a few powders in the .204 and could never reach advertised velocities. The 22-250 is much easier to find a sweet load for than either .204 I played with. Matter of fact the only thing better than a 22-250 is a 22-250 AI with a fast twist barrel :laugh:

[dcloco]

You will need.....

an action

Right Bolt - Left Port - .473 Bolt Face
Right Bolt - Left Port - .378 Bolt Face
Right Bolt - Right Port - .473 Bolt Face
Right Bolt - Right Port - .378 Bolt Face - Out Of Stock - On Order

These are priced at $430.00 + $14.00 S&H to your FFL.



A barrel.  Personally, I would go with the 223 8 twist barrel (because I own an AI reamer) or one of the 243 barrels
Shilen:
26" - Stainless Select Match - Large Shank - Bull - 223 - 8 Twist - $269.00
26" - Stainless Select Match - Large Shank - Bull - 22-250 - 8 Twist - $269.00 - Sold Out for now - On Order
26" - Stainless Select Match - Large Shank - Bull - 243 Win. - 8 Twist - $269.00

McGowen:
26" - Stainless Prem. Match - Large Shank - Bull - 204 Ruger - 11 Twist - $269.00
26" - Stainless Prem. Match - Large Shank - Bull - 223 Win. - 8 Twist - $269.00 - Sold Out for now - On Order
26" - Stainless Prem. Match - Small Shank - Varmint - 22-250 - 9 Twist - $269.00
28" - Stainless Prem. Match - Large Shank - Bull - 243 Win. - 8 Twist - $289.00


and a stock

The New Take-Off RH Savage Stocks are priced at:
BVSS - $165.00 + $12.00 S&H.
VLP - $195.00 + $12.00 S&H.
Synthetic Sporter and Varmint Synthetic Stocks - $25.00 + $10.00 S&H.


My pic (spending YOUR money of course)

Right Bolt - Left Port - .473 Bolt Face   $430 + $14 shipping = $444
28" - Stainless Prem. Match - Large Shank - Bull - 243 Win. - 8 Twist = $289.00
BVSS - $165.00 + $12.00 S&H = $177

SSS Recoil lug - $28

Total is  444+289+177+28  = $938

You can go with a little cheaper action and a factory barrel to save you a couple hundred to buy a scope with (20x SS from swfa) plus rings/mounts.

[dcloco]

No one will ever convince me that the .204 is all that. I owned 1 for a while and my brother still has his. I am not impressed with 40gr bullets even at advertised speeds. We tried quite a few powders in the .204 and could never reach advertised velocities. The 22-250 is much easier to find a sweet load for than either .204 I played with. Matter of fact the only thing better than a 22-250 is a 22-250 AI with a fast twist barrel :laugh:

Which rifle did you own? Barrel length, etc?

[kslefty]

A 112 FLV and my brother still has his VLP. A friend just bought one of the predator in .204, tried to steer him to the 22-250 but he went with the .204. I just don't like the .204 at all, I realize others mileage will vary but I am stubborn I guess. Tried H322, W748, Varget, and RL10X powders, velocity was quite a bit below advertised and accuracy was around 1" for 5 shot groups. My other savages will outshoot these .204 rifles with their favorite loads on any given day. Probably could have made the 204's better just gave up on them early on.

[pdog06]

My pic (spending YOUR money of course)

Right Bolt - Left Port - .473 Bolt Face   $430 + $14 shipping = $444
28" - Stainless Prem. Match - Large Shank - Bull - 243 Win. - 8 Twist = $289.00
BVSS - $165.00 + $12.00 S&H = $177

SSS Recoil lug - $28

Total is  444+289+177+28  = $938

You can go with a little cheaper action and a factory barrel to save you a couple hundred to buy a scope with (20x SS from swfa) plus rings/mounts.

Only problem with this is the target action has 3 action screws, the bvss stock does not. Replace the target action with a Stainless model 12 action, knock $100 off the total by doing this, and it puts you about $850. Course you gotta get the right shank barrel to match.

+1 on a 22-250( like that McGowen 9 twist listed )

As far as the 10fp or 12fv, same action just different finish. Different finish on barrel and 10fp is 24" instead of 26". Stock is the same. Pretty much personal preference on finish is your only choice, but 12fv is a bit cheaper. Accuracy between them will be very close.

[TDK]

i was told the BBL life of a 22-250 is only 1000 shots....

will a Bull BBl 12 FV out shoot my ruger M77 MKII sport 223...?

if so ill get one more 223... i have all the dies and all that for a 223 and 22-250.
and how much is ammo for that 204...how is bbl life? i know if it shoots 4000FPS
it cant be that good..lol
i shoot alot!

and i get my cash today and i need to get to the store to get one im
going on a sage rat shoot in 2 days

[broncbob]

the 204 is a fun lil round, but suffers from wind drift. on calm days you can't beat it, but when the wind comes up it can get tricky. haven't shot the barrel out of mine, so i can't help there. it has supper low recoil, and spotting you own hits and miss shots is easy. ammo is not cheap, as there is no winny white box or such for it. there is a red mist factor with the 204, but not near as much as the 22-250.

the 22-250 is a ton of fun, if you like red mist and PDs that do all sorts of airborn tricks, this is the round for you. wind drift is not as bad as the 204, barrel life is not life long, it gets worse if you push them hard, but it should get you better than 1k shots if you don't stoke it up to the limit. it heats the barrel much faster than the 204. you can get winny white box for the 22-250, but it's 45gr and drifts in the wind like the 204, the better stuff is just as expensive as 204.

either one is better for the longer range stuff than the .223

[Steve in PA]

Only had the rifle out for a short time today, just long enough to make sure the cope/rifle was on paper. The rifle is certainly accurate as I was easily getting bullet holes touching each other. Another more dedicated range trip is need to fully evaluate this rifle/scope combo.

The rifle is a Savage 12FV in .223 with a Mueller 4-16x 50mm scope in Warne rings on Burris Xtreme 2pc picatinny bases. The scope is a B&C DuraMaxx.

[dcloco]

PD - who said you had to use the center screw? 

[82boy]

i was told the BBL life of a 22-250 is only 1000 shots....

will a Bull BBl 12 FV out shoot my ruger M77 MKII sport 223...?

if so ill get one more 223... i have all the dies and all that for a 223 and 22-250.
and how much is ammo for that 204...how is bbl life? i know if it shoots 4000FPS
it cant be that good..lol
i shoot a lot!

I never understood why people believe that a 22/250 is a barrel burner, and all you can get is 1000 rounds. I have a factory 12fv barrel sitting on a shelf that has over 1700 rounds and still shoots 1/2 in 5 shoot groups at 100 yards. In fact the day before I pulled it off the action it won a local match. I pulled this barrel because I wanted a custom barrel. If anything this barrel has been abused, I used this when I was starting out in shooting, it has been scrubbed with three piece cleaning rods, no bore guide, and has gotten hot a few times, It carbon fouled badly and I had to scrub the crap out of it with GM TEC and jb bore paste. I thought about having the barrel set back and re chambered, but don't what to spend the hundred bucks to do it.

This is not the only 22/250 barrel I seen that would do this.

The 204 has a reputation of being a barrel burner, I have heard stories of guys only getting 500 rounds and the barrel is junk. I know mine has over 500 rounds and it shoots great, well below 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards.  I will say mine has a problem with carbon fouling, but it shoots better dirty than clean.

I think that some cartridges have a bad reputation, that is not deserving. Something else how long do you think it would take you to shoot 1000 rounds?

will a savage model 12 out shoot your Ruger? Its hard to say, it seams some guns just shoot good from the start, and some never shoot good. I would say taking that out of the question, it is possible that the Savage will shoot better, the thicker barrel helps with heat.