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Author Topic: Leveling action for scope mounting...  (Read 1870 times)
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2008, 11:06:23 AM »

Don,

Ok, here's one for the sake of discussion.

Who cares if the bubble level is level on the base as long as it is consistent?

If you put the bubble level on the rifle, level to the bubble, then level to a vertical reference, and level to the bubble when you're shooting, the reticle is still vertical.  The bullet doesn't know which part of that rifled tube is the "top".  As long as the level stays on the base, you're going to be good regardless.

It seems to me that consistency of hold is the most important part here. 

$24 is pricey, but $70.00 for a bubble level is insane.

You are correct that consistency is the goal.  However, if the bore is not fairly well in line with the reticle on a vertical line there can be some sighting issues even if you consistently hold the setup in the same spot each time per the off true bubble level with the reticle trued to it.

Unfortunately the B-Square level on some rails is WAY off. Enough to give some unacceptable problems at longer ranges. I have seen some B-Square levels that had more than a 0.050" gap on one side of the level, between the level and the base, which puts the bore too far off to one side for precision shooting.  Fortunately I have not run into any Savage actions where the base when installed is so far off that it becomes an issue but I have seen it on some other guns.  When that is the case then setting the reticle true to the base may not work for long stuff.

Re-Read my post and you will see the reason I want the level true to the rail.  I want to be able to take any scope that has been trued to the rail and move it from one rifle to another without having to re-level it.  That simply won't work if your bubble level is not true to the top of the rail or if your base is not true to the action rails, if that is what you use to level the reticle. When the reticle is true to the top of the rail and you use the same rails and rings, it works quite well.

If that doesn't matter to you then as long as your reticle is plumb with the level on your rail, you are good to go.

The only ways I have figured out how to do that is to have a level on the rail that is true to the rail or to have it on the scope that is also true to the rail.   The cheapest way to get there with the least amount of work is a bubble level mounted on the scope tube rather than the rail. That is the method I recommend and use personally.

As for cost I guess we all have our thresholds.  Some guys don't worry about $70 for a precision level or $140 for a slope indicator when they have spent $2800 for their scope and $5000 for their rifle and they are shooting $4-5 a round match loads in their 1K yard 50 BMG. 

Although I sell the higher dollar gear, I tend to lean towards the $700 or less scope on a $500 rifle with a $24 cheesy plastic bubble level mounted on the scope tube for most of my rifles.  I just don't have the $$ in my personal shooting budget to have a Nightforce, Mark 4, Swarovski or US Optics piece of glass on every rifle I own, though I do own and enjoy using the higher end stuff quite a bit.  With the system I use, I can move my 8-32x Nightforce from one rifle to another with very little work when I want to.

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2008, 01:28:24 PM »

Us gunner nailed it on the head..... The bore does not know which side is the top..... If you have a level reference such as a B square and you get your scope level to it you are gonna be alright.....

This thread has led me to believe that iron sights must be far superior......... NOT
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2008, 05:38:23 PM »

Us gunner nailed it on the head..... The bore does not know which side is the top..... If you have a level reference such as a B square and you get your scope level to it you are gonna be alright.....

This thread has led me to believe that iron sights must be far superior......... NOT

  quite the contrary. The scope is mounted 1-2" off the the top of the bore. If the scope is canted, your bullets will impact accordingly.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 09:28:39 PM »

Outlaw,

Yes, if the scope and rifle is canted after mounting that is true.  But if you are checking the level each shot to make sure that you are on the same plane as when you did the reticle you should minimize any variation due to canting. Whether the level is perfectly square to the base is irrelevant as long as you go back to the same orientation each shot.   

That is my whole purpose for using the bubble level to start with.

I'm not sure I'm expressing my point very well.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 09:39:16 PM »

  Yes but moving from 500-700yds would require horrizontal adjustments on your scope if the scope is canted. If the scope is alligned properly, all you will need to adjust is your verticle adjustments.

  With a canted scope sighted in properly at 100yds will always hit right at 100yds but, take the same canted scope and move to 500yds and your bullet will impact to the right or left even though youve put the proper verticle adjustments in and your horrizontal adjustment will also need to be adjusted.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 09:53:43 PM »

That right Thad, I agree.  Did you read my original post?  I'm not talking about canting a scope.

Screw it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 10:14:48 PM »

http://savageshooters.com/test.php?articleview=DeadEye%20Scope%20Leveler%20Review
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2008, 10:21:43 PM »

That right Thad, I agree.  Did you read my original post?  I'm not talking about canting a scope.

Screw it.

Gunner really has nailed it..... the original argument was if the scope bases can be mounted kinda left or right because of the play in the screw holes blah blah blah.... what gunner said is it does not matter where the scope thinks the top of the bore is as long as the scope is leveled to the bases...... face it.... you could mount the scope on the bottom of the gun and shoot the thing upside down as long as you had the scope level to the bases and held the thing consistenly.....
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