223 pet loads Lets see'em

[quickkillaught6]

Now since I don't have a chrono yet I have a question. Let's say a 53 grain bullet setted at 2.20" with H4895 bottom shows 25@3166 with the top being 27c 3383 if you move the bullet out further how does that reflect on the fps accuracy trumps all IMO but just curious to hear personal experience are you loosing fps by seating further out? I have read that a max load not stuffed
Into the lands and then seated into the lands causes a severe pressure spike resulting in yard sale material.. Just curious

[1Shot]

...You still have plenty of room..It's not going to slow anything down....Now if you were jamming them +.010 in the lands it would be a different story..The groups will close up before that happens... ;)

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well poop ???

[deerhunter85]

Have it recrowned and try again

[quickkillaught6]

It's a brand new gun!? Well less than 600 rounds down the pipe why is it you think recrowning it will help?? I'm intrigued....

[Dennis]

24.4, 69smk's as per picture, Savage BVSS, 9 twist

Still going to play with the loads a little, 24.3 to 24.5 just to see! VERY WINDY when shooting this group.

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[1Shot]

...Go back to 2.330 & put .2gr more in it..Sometimes they can get alittle testy..Might just not like H4895..

[deerhunter85]

I have seen two rifle that was recrowned shoot great that didn't not before and if you keep having the same problem I would send it back and ask them to shoot it . Remember even the boss can shoot 1200 yds lol

[quickkillaught6]

@deer.. Lol yea it like the 53's with other powder and it will print small groups with 69smks and H4895 so I don't think it's a crown problem just haven't hit the right mixture yet 1shots been helping me work it in as I was about to go with another bullet but the bc on the 53's are very good and @1shot will do and thanks again for all the help!!!

[deerhunter85]

Lol some of the people on here are great and a lot of help it's kinda are own brother hood

Got to love this and the everyone ween I get my real computer going I'll well join the brother hood lol

[quickkillaught6]

Yes sir it is I'm the black sheep of the family had a MARINE get me started reloading a few years back and well it's grown into quite the obsession..."um favorite past time" but I'll be danged if I've ever had a rifle give me this kind of fit before never in my wildest I've shot more 53vmax's trying to find a good load than anything else and I'm bout dun with it I have got to try a couple more things then it's on to bigger and better things a 52smk will kill a prairie dog just as dead as a vmax just aggravating!

[kelbro]

Don't feel bad. I've heard all the good stuff about that bullet and was never able to get it to shoot like many other 224 bullets. Sometimes you just need to write one off and keep moving.

[Dennis]

but I'll be danged if I've ever had a rifle give me this kind of fit before never in my wildest I've shot more 53vmax's trying to find a good load than anything else and I'm bout dun with it I have got to try a couple more things then it's on to bigger and better things

My 6.5x47L gave me similiar problems and I almost gave up! Then one day I tried a load, and within 2 more weeks, I had three loads that worked! I just had to find out what the gun wanted! RL15 was my 6.5x47 ticket! I almost wore the barrel out finding out what it wanted. One thing I wanted was to find a load for the 130 VLD Bergers! I never did, the gun flat out didn't like them in any way! I tried every primer, powder, COAL (.080 off to .020 in), etc., no luck.

FYI: I have my 223 53grn V-Max's loaded up on the table. I should try them out by Sunday, weather permitting!

I am shooting a Savage 9 twist BVSS! I will let you know!

[Dennis]

I briefly went over most of the prior 223 posts!

I have found in almost every case with A-Max's & V-Max's, they like to be "off" the lands a lot! I have two guns, this being the case with both.

I was shooting 178 A-Max's with my 308 a few weeks ago trying to find the guns favorite load. Several people I know are having good luck with them. I was either on the lands or off .010. Found a nice 1/2" group but noticed the ones backed off .010 were a little tighter.

I loaded up five more with the same charge and backed off .030. My 5 shot groups tighten up with the same powder load! Interesting!

I then loaded up some at .030, .050, & .080 off the lands! I shot two 5 shot tight clover leaf groups @ 100 yds .050 off being the key.

During the week, I loaded up 60 more rounds, .050 off the lands and went to the 600yd range! They were just as accurate @ 600yds! Inexpensive bullet to practice with at 600!

I know one person who backs off the lands .080 and his gun shoots awesome!

If the V-Max's don't work in your 223, try the Nossler Ballistic Tips! There devestating!

I haven't tried them in my 223, but in my 243 VLP using 55gr & 70grn NBT's, well they do some damage and are very accurate!

My 22-250 BVSS likes 55grn Varmit NBT's as well! Things just disappear in a cloud and they are "very" accurate! I had a hawk started hanging around the house all of a sudden. My pets didn't like this situation! I had my 22-250 dialed in with the 55NBT's. The hawk started leaving the power lines and landing on the fence. I couldn't let this go on! Unbelieveable what one 55grn bullet did to this hawk. My pets are happy again! I shot one about a year ago, same gun, 52gr Berger FB target bullet. Just put a nice hole in it, but did the job!

[quickkillaught6]

well i just got my hornady oal gauge. and done some checking to the lands with the bullets i have on hand. this is my figures to the rifling.

55nbt-2.972"
53 vmax-2.870"
52 smk-2.988"
I had some 69smks in remington brass loaded for one of my sav-12's thats
25-H4895
rem brass
seated at 2.275"oal shoots about 1/2" groups at 200 sometimes touching in the 1/4" size.
my goal to get it to shoot lighter bullets for prairie dogs.
best loads to date.
25.7-H4895
53vmax
lc-11
cci-400
2.318"oal shot good once.....1/2" group@100

27-V
lc-11/cci400
53vmax
2.269-1/2"...... once@100

22.5h322
lc-11/cci400
55nbt
2.290"oal first 2 in the same hole last 3 in another hole 1/4" low and right ...once....

22.5H322
lc-11/cci400
53vmax 2.254"oal. first 3 in same hole next 2 verticle string up exactly bullet dia. apart so it looks like 3 shots verticaly.

I've got more i appoligize for the long thread and all guys. I just got done loading up some more to try again tomorrow if the weather holds up. Im with you Dennis, Im sure Jim's got a better barrel sitting on the shelf and i know they shoot! I guess im just too picky. I want a powder thats the most temp stable and a bullet that will blow up prairie dogs and kill coyotes multipurpose ammo.. Just when i think i have a load ill load 5 more and it goes from shooting 1/4" to 1" have checked so far. base screws, scope mounts, put new stock on and floated the tang, made sure no contact at barrel, just about over it but thats why we do what we do sometimes its frustrating. and yes Dennis the nbt 55gns are probably the 2nd most consistant bullet ive shot to date 69smk's being the first in this rig. it just likes them but i didnt personally know how they would do on a light prairie dog? so i thought lighter the bullet the better.
Thank you all again so much for the input this row is a long one to hoe but itl be worth it in the end. (i hope)

[Dennis]

and yes Dennis the nbt 55gns are probably the 2nd most consistant bullet ive shot to date 69smk's being the first in this rig. it just likes them but i didnt personally know how they would do on a light prairie dog? so i thought lighter the bullet the better.


The 55 and 70 NBT's, well usually you just see a reddish clould . . . The 69smk will do the job! I can't say it does the job like the NBT's will. I even perfer NBT's over V-Max's, but I won't hesitate to take both of them on a hunt!

I am also a firm believer on "shot placement". Any bullet put in the right place will do the job, and I am mainly referring to larger game. I wouldn't advise using A-Max's or NBT's on ferrel hogs! JMO, Barnes triple shock, not the most accurate round in my guns, but will hold a 1" group and will definetly do the job on a hog!

It's just with PD's, the NBT's and A-Max's are more fun!

In my 308, 110 Tap and 168 or 178 A-Max's are "fun" to play with! I have more luck with these bullets in my 30 cal vs NBT's, can't tell you why! Maybe I had instant luck with these bullets and never gave NBT's a chance in the 308's!

A hot 110 tap in the 308, well you just have to experience it!

For the record, on serious large game hunts, I use Berger Hunting Bullets, and Accu-Bonds. Hornady "A-Max's" in my opinion are good for larger game!

I know this is a 223 thread, and believe me, I like my 223 and use it a lot. My 223, 22-250, and 243 usually make the hunts. I have a BR, (heavy barrel)but mostly use it for match practice! I might one day take it on a hunt, just the three I mentioned (all heavy Varmit barrels), I have perfected loads that never fail me on hunts!

[quickkillaught6]

Well if the NBT's are that good ill probably just go that direction the 69smks I took last year didn't do what I hopes they are very hard easily ricochet and out on the longer ranges were just pokin holes so I was looking for something a lil more visually satisfying and just to the pd's after all the time they spend working on their acrobatics shame not to see them use it. :) I will go back to the 55's this weekend and see what happens if they work I'll order a bunch

[1Shot]

...Nosler 50gr BT's would be better...They will vaporize a hedge ball...lol... ;) The 55's have a thicker jacket but they will make an orange disappear.. ;D

[Dennis]

...Nosler 50gr BT's would be better...They will vaporize a hedge ball...lol... The 55's have a thicker jacket but they will make an orange disappear..

Their bad to the "bone"!

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