varget to 4064

[eddiesindian]

I was in the same boat tx solo. I have about 3.5 lbs of Varget left but am using it on all my 223,s. I couldnt find it either and went the way of an 8lb jug of 4064.
I was given a box of FGMM in 168gr SMK and used it to break in my new model K and I was very impressed.
So much so I pulled a couple apart to have a look and 42.8grs of what looks EXACTLY like 4064 was what I found. I also found a dam heavy crimp mark on the pill as well.
Ive got Federal 210M primers/ Fed cases/ 4064 and decided to have a go at "trying" to copy there load.(crimp and all)
I clocked there rds going 2715 4 rd average.
I clocked mine going 2744 4 rd average @ 3800ft elev....45-55dg weather
I got about a .75 pattern compared to there .50. The day wasnt exactly perfect due to slight wind but none the less they did fairly well. Im sure if I keep after it, Ill hit closer groups with more load dev.
The load that work,s for my model k with a 24" 1:10 usng 4064 ended up being 45.0 grs of 4064 with 175SMK going 2865. at the time of that load dev. I was @ 60-70dg weather.
I think you,ll be pleased with the 4064. Im not crazy with the way it meters but it is what it is.

[eddiesindian]

same here

+1..........

[ghostwriter247]

I have a copy I the government build sheet for 118lr and I believe it's the lake city brass version 41.7 grains over 175 smk. I still loaded a full ladder today to shoot. I just got done with my first ladder of Hornady spire points 150 in federal and found nodes at 41.5 to 42.5 and also 45.5 to 44.5. I loaded up rounds every .2 grains within those nodes to get my exact load. The 45.5 ran 2959 fps out of a 10 ba.

[LoneWolf]

I have a copy I the government build sheet for 118lr and I believe it's the lake city brass version 41.7 grains over 175 smk. I still loaded a full ladder today to shoot. I just got done with my first ladder of Hornady spire points 150 in federal and found nodes at 41.5 to 42.5 and also 45.5 to 44.5. I loaded up rounds every .2 grains within those nodes to get my exact load. The 45.5 ran 2959 fps out of a 10 ba.

You mean this

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/03/py5y7a6y.jpg

[ghostwriter247]

Yep notice how it has everything but cartridge. Seems kind of important but some are saying a grain more so I'm thinking that's the lc load. We will find out as soon as it gets warm enough to shoot.

[LoneWolf]

It has Federal Cases in the order. 149,040 of them.

[ghostwriter247]

That's why I loaded up a ladder. The case isn't named and lr was made by lots of people. Just like anything on the net who knows. A number of people are saying wen they pull down the federal lr its 42.8 which would make sense since lake city should be a grain less. I figure the chrony should tell me what's closest.

[eddiesindian]

It has Federal Cases in the order. 149,040 of them.

+1......

[ghostwriter247]

Any chance any of you have seen a lake city build sheet?

[Texas Solo]

I'll know more after Wednesday. I loaded up 3 each from 42.3 to 44.5 in .3gr increments.
Hodgdon/IMR data shows 43.0 to 47.5c I went below their minimum due to the LC brass.
Keeping all the CBTO's at .005 off, as that seemed to shoot well with the Varget.

We'll see what happens.

[shooterfclass]

2865 seems crazy fast to me with 175smk. Wonder how fast my 30" 185 jugs are going, chrono coming soon but I'm only expecting around 2600fps at 1140alt and 20 degees

[Topsail]

45.0gr 4064 with 155gr Noslers with Win cases and CCI 200 primers is sub MOA at 200 yards out of my Savage FTR.
Will try Wolf primers in the future to try and tighten those up. Have not had a chance to chrono.

[eddiesindian]

2865 seems crazy fast to me with 175smk. Wonder how fast my 30" 185 jugs are going, chrono coming soon but I'm only expecting around 2600fps at 1140alt and 20 degees

That was my thought as well. While developing an accurate load for the K model and 175,s, I realized that the groups started tightening with a higher charges. Before I gave 45.0 grs of 4064 a go, I double cked data and 45.6 is about max. (compressed)...

I clocked an 8 rd average to get the 2865. At 1st I wasnt crazy having to go that fast, but I show no signs of over pressure and the groups are 1/2" @ 100 yds.

Living in southwestern TX has its advantages. Wide open valleys to shoot from and altitudes from 3800 to 5000 if I head up towards guadalupe pass. My main stay is 4200-4400 though. I clocked the 175,s @ a 3800 altitude.60-70dg temps

185gr...out of a 30" as well?.....if I had that?.....Im sure I could get good speeds out of that as well.

[shooterfclass]

If I see any 4064 locally I'll have to try it and compare it to my Norma 203b loads with 185 jugs. I will also try and push the Norma faster see if I retain or gain accuracy when I get my chrony. Its a fairly new barrel i haven't did much load experiments.

[eddiesindian]

The coeffiency of those 185,s should be pretty darn good.
Ever since I gave in and joined the local shooting range which isnt much of a drive I find myself having a great time developing loads. semi controlled conditions,nice shade,wind barriers etc...
I still like sendng them out to distance in the canyon, but the range is nice as well,,,and I get a 10% discount on components.
Sure like to see what accuracy and speeds I could get out of a 30" barrel.....thats one long tube for sure.

[shooterfclass]

Yeah the bc is excellent for .30 cal at G1 .560, is reason I wanted to try them, I need all advantage I can get to fight wind.

[JMGlasgow]

My situation is exactly the opposite of yours. I have used 4064 for years in 308 for both bolt and AR10 but I can't get it. So now I am having to go to Varget. 4064 is indeed a standby for 308 and you will not have any trouble, Many theorize that 4064 is used by Federal in their Gold medal match ammo. Others say it is a revised non commercial version. But I know it looks just like it. 43.7g behind a 168g pill works for me. I just wish I could get some more to resume loading again.

I think in the AR10 I back off slightly to 42.5g in Lapua or Hornady match brass

Federal Gold Medal Match ammo uses IMR4064. There is a pretty in depth thread over on Snipers Hide called "Sluething the Federal Gold Medal match cartridge".

[thermaler]

I usually get predictably good results with 4064 or RL 15. Here's a RL 15 load driving 150 nosler silver tip. Not exactly what you're looking for but close to the bullet weight you're talking about.http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s388/triggerpull/silvertipT_zps73e45d12.jpg (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/triggerpull/media/silvertipT_zps73e45d12.jpg.html)

[Texas Solo]

I usually get predictably good results with 4064 or RL 15. Here's a RL 15 load driving 150 nosler silver tip. Not exactly what you're looking for but close to the bullet weight you're talking about.
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s388/triggerpull/silvertipT_zps73e45d12.jpg (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/triggerpull/media/silvertipT_zps73e45d12.jpg.html)

Thanks, I'd be happy with that. However, something has changed since I started this thread.....
there's a new 308 on the way! I've given up on the 11VT for anything other than a good hunting rifle. I've ordered a 12BVSS, so my time frame for testing has been pushed back a few weeks. I still plan on using the 155 as my go to bullet, but I'll also be giving the 175SMK another try in the new rifle.

[LoneWolf]

175 Nosler Custom Competition, over 44grs of IMR4064, yielded very good results for me. Will have to play with the seating depth next. Very little vertical dispersion and had a solid 3" group at 300yds. Still having a flyer in most of my groups, but when I get back I'll be ready to continue down this holy grail of reloading.