darkker
02-09-2015, 09:29 PM
Since I started the thread, and it appears the active posters don't mind; I suppose I'll answer.
And unless theres a significant change in the animals location there wont be another range taken. There would be a better chance of a sighter shot
as its quicker and offers more information. Especially if the animal is standing in a place where a clear shot isnt available anyway at present.
We have time, so lets (waste) a shot which shows what the wind is doing, and allows for updating the elevation data also. And as an added bonus it
could make things happen which would present a shot at the animal. .
1) But the bottom line is were killing animals here.
I cant speak for you or where you come from. But i can speak for me and where i come from.
2) A disgusting bunch who often refer to things as deze and doze and dumz. But thats what some are referring to as (hunting) now days also if you can believe that.
3) As for the (sighter) shot, where did i even hint that it would be taken at the animal?
4) What did the large group of long range hunters do when there were no scope/reticle choices other than the unertles or the few others like them?
What did they do when there were no lazer rangfinders or combination lazer/binnoculars?
5) Can a person even today who dosent own one of these become a long range hunter?
6) As for the word (sniping) do we determine what that is by how many shots were fired? Or by the manner in which (any) shots were fired?
7) Were now hearing terms used like (cold bore mapping). Sounds like a really cool catchy thing to me but im not really sure i understand it
at least fully.
8) If i might ask Darkker, just how do you go about long range hunting?
Could you furnish a list of the equiptment you would be using for lets say shots at animals that could be say up to 1200 yds?
All the equiptment, and how you would proceed to use it for finding and (killing) animals.
9) Im not picking on you Foxx or anyone for that matter
Yobuck,
I broke your second reply down by numbers, to try and answer in a listed manor.
I didn't see any of it as being picked-on, but do appreciate a concern for it. So here goes.
1) This view is what prompted my "sniping" comment. Understanding that there are many different situations for hunting deer, some places they are seen as a pest. Not the case here, and why I mentioned albeit perhaps with the wrong connotation, that "If that's what you want to do, so be it".
2) I agree, that bothers the crap out of me.
3) From the first quoted text. Perhaps incorrectly, but took that as a "sighter" to get animals spooked into view.
4) This one to me is a logical extreme that isn't applicable anymore. We as a society USED to use lead for water pipes, but realized that was a bad idea; and developed another way. I don't own a laser rangefinder, but use my scope to mil a target, and the fact that I shoot a ton; has me to the point that I am pretty good. Right or wrong, I see it as an evolution of sorts.
5) This one I think is a bit confusing, in that if you are in a tree-stand area, there really isn't long range(at least what I call long range). So to get into it, you need to begin shooting at the intended distances. Learn to realize what you, and your equipment is or is not capable of.
6) I used the term for the manor in which the shot was taken. Again I'm sure I had the connotation wrong, as emotion gets lost in print alone. But many of the "Deez" type folks around here, kill game animals simply to kill. They have nothing vested, no confidence in equipment, no time, don't care about meat, no mounting of trophy, just kill it and leave it; typically many. I won't grab my soapbox and play the ethics game, but that bothers me.
7) That is a very useful tool, if you don't know what your equipment does. I personally don't clean rifles unless the accuracy starts to go away. Each of my rifles is different, some don't mind, some do. I don't have the ability to post photos where I am, but here is a post talking to that issue, I did a few days ago.
http://www.shootersforum.com/rifles-rifle-cartridges/96766-practical-grouping-always-chance-learn.html
8) If you go to my original post in this thread you can see pictures of the country I live in. NOTHING is close to anything here :) So learning to shoot farther than many/most was a real need. I just began shooting at long distance. With my 308, I won't take a shot beyond 500 yards and that is far off-hand for me. Staying at sane pressure levels, the 308 will fall below 1,000 lb/ft of energy much beyond 500. More importantly, that is VERY close the minimum operational velocity window for almost any hunting bullet out there. So no 1200 yard shots for me. For target shooting, I've found a few bullets that cross trans-sonic safely and am shooting under MOA to 1760(on a good day mind you) :)
Painless is a Savage 10FP. Choate US stock, with a Weaver #800363 scope. My Creedmoor is a Marlin XL7 with a Shaw barrel, Boyds stock, and the PA 4-14 on it.
For finding deer, I'm outside any chance I can get. there isn't tons of things to eat around here, so that narrows things down a lot. Tracking and finding migration patterns is vital in this area. Reading the wind so you don't spook them is also critical.
Cheers
And unless theres a significant change in the animals location there wont be another range taken. There would be a better chance of a sighter shot
as its quicker and offers more information. Especially if the animal is standing in a place where a clear shot isnt available anyway at present.
We have time, so lets (waste) a shot which shows what the wind is doing, and allows for updating the elevation data also. And as an added bonus it
could make things happen which would present a shot at the animal. .
1) But the bottom line is were killing animals here.
I cant speak for you or where you come from. But i can speak for me and where i come from.
2) A disgusting bunch who often refer to things as deze and doze and dumz. But thats what some are referring to as (hunting) now days also if you can believe that.
3) As for the (sighter) shot, where did i even hint that it would be taken at the animal?
4) What did the large group of long range hunters do when there were no scope/reticle choices other than the unertles or the few others like them?
What did they do when there were no lazer rangfinders or combination lazer/binnoculars?
5) Can a person even today who dosent own one of these become a long range hunter?
6) As for the word (sniping) do we determine what that is by how many shots were fired? Or by the manner in which (any) shots were fired?
7) Were now hearing terms used like (cold bore mapping). Sounds like a really cool catchy thing to me but im not really sure i understand it
at least fully.
8) If i might ask Darkker, just how do you go about long range hunting?
Could you furnish a list of the equiptment you would be using for lets say shots at animals that could be say up to 1200 yds?
All the equiptment, and how you would proceed to use it for finding and (killing) animals.
9) Im not picking on you Foxx or anyone for that matter
Yobuck,
I broke your second reply down by numbers, to try and answer in a listed manor.
I didn't see any of it as being picked-on, but do appreciate a concern for it. So here goes.
1) This view is what prompted my "sniping" comment. Understanding that there are many different situations for hunting deer, some places they are seen as a pest. Not the case here, and why I mentioned albeit perhaps with the wrong connotation, that "If that's what you want to do, so be it".
2) I agree, that bothers the crap out of me.
3) From the first quoted text. Perhaps incorrectly, but took that as a "sighter" to get animals spooked into view.
4) This one to me is a logical extreme that isn't applicable anymore. We as a society USED to use lead for water pipes, but realized that was a bad idea; and developed another way. I don't own a laser rangefinder, but use my scope to mil a target, and the fact that I shoot a ton; has me to the point that I am pretty good. Right or wrong, I see it as an evolution of sorts.
5) This one I think is a bit confusing, in that if you are in a tree-stand area, there really isn't long range(at least what I call long range). So to get into it, you need to begin shooting at the intended distances. Learn to realize what you, and your equipment is or is not capable of.
6) I used the term for the manor in which the shot was taken. Again I'm sure I had the connotation wrong, as emotion gets lost in print alone. But many of the "Deez" type folks around here, kill game animals simply to kill. They have nothing vested, no confidence in equipment, no time, don't care about meat, no mounting of trophy, just kill it and leave it; typically many. I won't grab my soapbox and play the ethics game, but that bothers me.
7) That is a very useful tool, if you don't know what your equipment does. I personally don't clean rifles unless the accuracy starts to go away. Each of my rifles is different, some don't mind, some do. I don't have the ability to post photos where I am, but here is a post talking to that issue, I did a few days ago.
http://www.shootersforum.com/rifles-rifle-cartridges/96766-practical-grouping-always-chance-learn.html
8) If you go to my original post in this thread you can see pictures of the country I live in. NOTHING is close to anything here :) So learning to shoot farther than many/most was a real need. I just began shooting at long distance. With my 308, I won't take a shot beyond 500 yards and that is far off-hand for me. Staying at sane pressure levels, the 308 will fall below 1,000 lb/ft of energy much beyond 500. More importantly, that is VERY close the minimum operational velocity window for almost any hunting bullet out there. So no 1200 yard shots for me. For target shooting, I've found a few bullets that cross trans-sonic safely and am shooting under MOA to 1760(on a good day mind you) :)
Painless is a Savage 10FP. Choate US stock, with a Weaver #800363 scope. My Creedmoor is a Marlin XL7 with a Shaw barrel, Boyds stock, and the PA 4-14 on it.
For finding deer, I'm outside any chance I can get. there isn't tons of things to eat around here, so that narrows things down a lot. Tracking and finding migration patterns is vital in this area. Reading the wind so you don't spook them is also critical.
Cheers