Winchester brass

[scope eye]

Frank I know you got nothing but love for me brother, how is move coming along?

Dean

[yotehtr1]

Lol no got them off cabelas a couple months ago. And ya I have a hundred cci's I'll have to seat a few and see how they act

[fgw_in_fla]

95% done.
I really do need a day or 2 out at the swamp with a few rifles.

I have the new location habitable. A/C working, reloading room all set up. Almost there. Still need a stove & fridge but at least I got my reloading room up & running.
Priorities.

[yotehtr1]

The last load I made up was 34 grains of varget behind a 53 grain vmax. And that's honestly the hottest load I've made up so far. Was a 3 shot .210 group at 100 yards and the chrono read 3600 give or take a few. Was hard to argue with the group and it was fast enough so I was real happy until I found out my primer pockets are a lot looser than the first time I loaded them. A couple had some good resistance but several just slid right in with almost no pressure required. Now they won't tap out or anything but the first load on those cases I remember them being a lot tighter.

[emtrescue6]

95% done.
I really do need a day or 2 out at the swamp with a few rifles.

I have the new location habitable. A/C working, reloading room all set up. Almost there. Still need a stove & fridge but at least I got my reloading room up & running.
Priorities.

The ole lady finally kicked ya out Frank?

Corey

[fgw_in_fla]

No, not yet. She still needs me to move the appliances.
We're selling the house here in SE section, moving to the other house in the NW section of the city. We're taking care of her mom until further notice. She's not doing well.

Moving puts us right across the street so I can play Frankie Nightingale, the Savage Shooting Day Nurse.

[emtrescue6]

No, not yet. She still needs me to move the appliances.
We're selling the house here in SE section, moving to the other house in the NW section of the city. We're taking care of her mom until further notice. She's not doing well.

Moving puts us right across the street so I can play Frankie Nightingale, the Savage Shooting Day Nurse.

hahaha....I read that last sentence as "....dry nurse" LOL

Hopefully the appliances get moved soon....we'd all hate to think yer going without nourishment!

[LHitchcox]

Recent WW brass has often been too soft. When Winchester stopped using the stainless plating on their primers, the primers seem a bit loose to me. During the current shortage of components, I bought a brick of Tula LR primers and they were much tighter than the old WWs I had been using. Because of that I am looking for some Tula SR primers for a batch of Federal .223 brass that I came up with. Maybe the tighter primers will suffice for loading plinking AR ammo.

[fgw_in_fla]

You guys using Tula primers -
You having good consistent results with them?

I bought a box of Tula .380 for my wife's pistola about a year or two ago. It had 3 rounds that wouldn't fire even though the firing pin hit it hard.
I lost faith in the product to where I won't even buy the stuff for my AK's.

I've always had good consistent results with CCI products with function and fit on well used brass. Maybe next time I visit my 3rd favorite place on Earth (local reload supply store) I'll grab a box and have a go of it.

[quickkillaught6]

To huntr I as well had issues with 22-250 brass primer pockets if you'll do a search I'm sure you'll find it some where. It was all new Winchester brass went through the whole mess of brass prep with 500 cases and on the first trip to the range on a very mild charge of H4895 and 53 gr vmaxes I ended up blowing the extractor out of my new rifle. I got in touch with Winchester as I had only primed 1-200 cases and upon inserting the primer (primers at that time almost extinct) I tried wlr and CCI you could prime a new case and tap it lightly on the loading bench and watch the primer fall out! The 10 rounds I took to the range primed fine and still blew out. Called Winchester told them the situation and they sent me a bag to send them all the brass back and made it right with me
Financially for buying their product. Might call'em and see what they'll do for you. Misled or hornady makes good brass that's a little easy to swollow than Lapua brass. Happy
Shooting and good luck ps the H4895&53's work pretty well

[Dan Fletcher]

I have loaded around 5000 of the Wolf/Tula 223 primers. They are definitely .0002-.0003 larger diameter (measured) than the average Rem, Win, Fed, CCI primers. To date I have had two misfires in AR's. These were in Fed cases after the first reload since removal of the primer crimp. Many of these primers were hard to seat during the first reload after removing the crimp. (However, the primer pockets in these cases expands fast enough that subsequent reloads have been no problem.) I have these two rounds and am trying to determine how to conduct the autopsy to learn why they misfired. Any suggestions? I did find one primer that the anvil fell out...I found the anvil too in the tray.

When the primer shortages forced many to try the Wolf/Tula primers there were a lot of reports of misfires with them. Apparently some users discovered that these primers should be more firmly seated than we are used to doing. Since this info became public on the net, the reports of misfire issues seem to have declined.

I currently have 5000 Wolf 223 primers in stock and I'm planning to buy another 5K soon.

[yotehtr1]

Ya I certainly don't wanna damage my gun or more importantly myself! Is there a safe way to remove and discard the primers I already have in? They won't tap out. If I chamber them and set the primers (with no powder or bullet) off and then decap them would it hurt my gun in any way?

[LongRange]

ive popped off a lot of primers...when brass was real hard to find id buy cheap factory ammo pull the bullets dump the powder and pop the primers off in my riffles then reload the brass..just run a patch or two after popping the primers and your good to go,
on the brass part as most have said...nosler lapua or norma...i shot a lot of fed and win brass and the fed would last about 3 to 5 reloads and the win about the same,the last batch of nosler lasted 17 reloads before i retired it and my current nosler is on its 13th reload...this is in a 300 win mag.

[fgw_in_fla]

I've popped them out using the sizing / decapping die in my press. Adjust the decapping rod down a bit. Just make sure you apply pressure to the press handle s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y and wear some eye glasses.
After you punch out a few it goes easy. The scary part is over. Just be sure to press them out slow.

Or....
Why not just reload them & use 'em?

[Stockrex]

FYI:
from

http://forum.pafoa.org/ammunition-reloading-25/86675-how-do-i-disable-dispose-live-primers.html

Neither water nor WD-40 will "deactivate" primers, as you have found out, since neither causes the explosive ingredients in primers (lead styphnate and tetrazene) to decompose. Rather, both water and WD only cause a decrease in the sensitivity of the primer mix. Once they dry back out, the will return to nearly their original sensivity.

The most common way to "deactivate", rather than "desensitize", primer mix used by the manufacturers is exposure to weak nitric acid, which actually breaks down the explosives. Another method is to soak them in a solution of stannous (tin) chloride. I suspect neither of these are things you have lying about under the sink in your kitchen.

Firing is probably the best way, although I strongly agree that doing this indoors is a really bad idea from an exposure standpoint. Also bear in mind to keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction, just as if you have a live round in it. #1, you may mistakenly HAVE a live round. #2, there will be very hot gases and particles of burning aluminum projected out of the barrel.

PS - clean the gun thoroughly when you're done as residue which would normally be swept from the barrel will remain and it will be dirtier than if you had fired live rounds.

I do not recommend ever putting live primers in with "regular trash" - someone down the line may find out the hard way there were explosives mixed in. Plus the fact it is likely to be illegal.

[yotehtr1]

Thanks guys kinda what I was thinking just wanted to make sure it wouldn't damage my gun. Is there a good way to check a primer pocket before you actually prime it so you don't wind up wasting a bunch of primers on wore out brass?

[justdave]

Just press them out, I've done hundreds

[yotehtr1]

Just press them out, I've done hundreds

Are they reusable after you've pressed them out?

[fgw_in_fla]

For what it's worth to ya...
I saved a bunch of primers I pressed out & reused about 50 of them. All of them fired with no trouble however - I've been told if the little wafer of explosive in the primer is cracked or damaged when it's punched out, it may not fire.

I didn't have any trouble with the semi-used primers I tried but that's not to say you could have one not fire when you need it most.

Like when a 250 lb. hog is in your sites. Coming straight at you. With no intention of turning. Giggling at you while you pull the trigger and only hear *click*.
Just sayin'...

[yotehtr1]

Lol well the pigs I shoot (whistle pigs) don't charge very often although I walked up on one in a hay field years ago and he definitely gave it a try! Attempt a hip shot with a bull barreled 22-250. Not an easy task! Haha but might have been a bad day if it hadn't went off for my redwings.... But ya that's kinda what I was getting at, if they are gonna be sketchy on being reusable I may as well just be extra careful and pop the primers in the gun. Shame there's no real way of telling if the pockets loose before you waste the primer though. I know they're inexpensive but I'm pretty cheap. Hate to waste them.