.308 or 6.5 creedmoor

[Kadams1563]

If you already have a .223 and dint plan on shooting much past 100 I would just use that. You can get some 77gr for that .223 and shoot 500+ yards.

[Russ77]

If you already have a .223 and dint plan on shooting much past 100 I would just use that. You can get some 77gr for that .223 and shoot 500+ yards.
I still like my .223 it's a fun easy rifle to shoot. But after going to the range a few times I got bit by the long range bug.most of the guys I go shooting with show up with ar-15s and blast 100's of rounds at a 50 yard target. I love getting down in the scope, calming your breath, feeling your heart beat, and taking that one perfect shot. I'm really hooked on long range shooting

[Twinsen]

I thought about this and I can't find 6.5 creed brass anywhere. It seems out of stock everywhere but .308 is easy to find. Also 6.5 ammo is very difficult to find locally.

Ding ding ding!

I can find .260 Remington rifles, ammo, and brass.
I can find 6.5-284 Norma rifles, ammo, and brass.
I can find 6.5x47 rifles, brass, and a LITTLE ammo.
I can find 6.5 Creedmore rifles under every leaf of every tree. But no ammo, and no brass.

Then I go on the internet and read that 6.5 Creedmore is popular and the other 3 aren't. :rolleyes:

[DrThunder88]

I think that it's hard to find ammo might be evidence of its popularity.

[Stockrex]

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/308-winchester-2.php

[LoneWolf]

I think the op just really wants a 308, but know the 6.5 is better performing. Even though the majority of us started with 308 and ended up switching to a 6.5 or other better performing caliber and if we did it all over again we all would probably be shooting 6.5 Creed right now.

[LongRange]

i started with a 300 win mag then started looking into the 6.5s and built a 260rem.....now my 300wm is a 260rem....no disrespect meant to the 308 or guys shooting them but personally i wouldnt own a 308 unless it was the only caliber made...the only advantage a 308 has over a 6mm or 6.5mm is barrel life.
if you really want a 308 then i say get one and get it out of your system...i think you said you would like to shoot some matches?? if so it might be in your best interest to go and watch a match or two and talk to some of the guys shooting the types of matches your interested in and see what they are shooting before you make up your mind.

[MZ5]

Both cartridges are good, solid cartridges. The Creedmoor is a little easier on the shooter, and bucks the wind better. 308 is more widely available, by a large margin. 308 is also far easier to spot at long range. Darkker and I were shooting both at 1680 a summer ago, and the 308 was relatively easy to spot, whereas the Creeds were _very_ tough. Plus, there's a mighty fine 308 barrel, already threaded and with a highly effective brake on it, in the classifieds right now... Lothar-Walther SS 308 (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?46414-FS-Lothar-Walther-SS-308-bbl-threaded-w-brake)
:)

[Twinsen]

I think that it's hard to find ammo might be evidence of its popularity.

Then it is far more popular than 308, 223, 9mm, 45, and 30-06.

[darkker]

Plus, there's a mighty fine 308 barrel, already threaded and with a highly effective brake on it, in the classifieds right now... Lothar-Walther SS 308 (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?46414-FS-Lothar-Walther-SS-308-bbl-threaded-w-brake)
:)

Fourflushing mother-scratcher.... So do I even get an early shot at the barrel? Nooooo! Have to find out with everyone else.... :cool:

[TheYoungConnoisseur]

I have also considered the 6.5 as a long time 7.62 shooter. Just take 2 loads for the same intended use and throw them in your ballistic calc and and add 15mph wind and compare and make you choice based on your intended range sweet spots.

however, for soft targets and all things being equal, it's hard to compete w the extra 1.22mm of the 308.
if I had to choose which to get hit with I'd prefer the 6.5


my thoughts, I'm looking at a new ruger precision rifle and it's either 24in 6.5 or 20in 308. I'd go w the 308 but can't run my suppressor on it due to the extra pressure from shorter barrel. (Yes custom
made suppressor and don't want to risk over pressurization and an expensive mishap)

[D.ID]

[QUOTE=darkker;334502]Well... It IS the definition of wanting to buy ability, not learn to overcome something difficult; whether or not that is "better" depends on what you want. Self driving cars are "better" if you are drunk all the time, but not if you want to learn to drive.



Want to win the race? Or do you want to overcome the better options and win the race in an old pickup truck?
If you want to win buy the race car!
If you want to overcome unnecessary obstacles.........Good luck with that.

[Russ77]

[QUOTE=darkker;334502]Well... It IS the definition of wanting to buy ability, not learn to overcome something difficult; whether or not that is "better" depends on what you want. Self driving cars are "better" if you are drunk all the time, but not if you want to learn to drive.



Want to win the race? Or do you want to overcome the better options and win the race in an old pickup truck?
If you want to win buy the race car!
If you want to overcome unnecessary obstacles.........Good luck with that.

This is why I'm leaning more towards the.308. I will not be competing against anyone but myself and the larger availability of .308 coupled with the cost makes it a smarter choice for my needs. I have also read you can get a longer barrel live with the .308

[eddiesindian]

Both cartridges are good, solid cartridges. The Creedmoor is a little easier on the shooter, and bucks the wind better. 308 is more widely available, by a large margin. 308 is also far easier to spot at long range. Darkker and I were shooting both at 1680 a summer ago, and the 308 was relatively easy to spot, whereas the Creeds were _very_ tough. Plus, there's a mighty fine 308 barrel, already threaded and with a highly effective brake on it, in the classifieds right now... Lothar-Walther SS 308 (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?46414-FS-Lothar-Walther-SS-308-bbl-threaded-w-brake)
:)
I couldn't agree with you more. not sending them that far yet but....
Ive started sending them out to 1400 with 1 of my 308s and my 260.
Spotting the 260 hits takes a bit more work....but I developed a hit Alarm System as I call it (in which direct hits to steels that are 12"x12" in dimension) activates brite flashing LED light that can be seen way out which advise,s you of hits. no questions asked. I had slight issues with my system because it was a bit crewed and in the beginning stages. Minor set up issues have been resolved. Its 100% reliable. The only way to activate the sensors is with direct hit. Ive filmed it a few times just have to take the time and put it on face book.
As Far as which one?.......for me... I like both of them but will confess I lean towards the .264

[Russ77]

I have had some trouble spotting my hits. When I first shot steel out past 200 yards I thought I was aiming low because I would see a puff of dirt kick up below the target. Then I would adjust my scope and fly right over the target. I felt so dumb when I figured out it was my round hitting the steel and then hitting the ground. Another reason I want to go to a larger caliber. Being able to spot hits easier

[mikgarus]

I would go with the 6.5 but just because I hate recoil.

[wbm]

Another reason I want to go to a larger caliber. Being able to spot hits easier

Something between 338 and 50 caliber should do nicely then. :cool:

[D.ID]

The 338 edge or lapua will not challenge you at 1000 or 1400.

[JASmith]

Anither problem is what factory heavy barreled rifles are there in in 6.5 CM?
Go here: http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12LRP

Also, with Winchester now offering match-grade ammo in this caliber, availability will get better. Further, even 10 boxes of ammunition will cost less than the scope you are likely to mount on it.

if you are truly concerned about ammunition availability, look at the 243 Win in the same model. Match bullets weighing 105 gr and more closely approach the long range wind drift one sees with the Creedmoor. The reduced recoil means that, as the day progresses, you will find your calm-wind scores remain higher than would have been the case with the Creedmoor. One gets fatigued from the added effort of managing recoil. The lighter bullet makes that part of the shooting easier.

[Ranger3]

OK, I everybody here has offered very good advice, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents,. The 6.5 creedmore is a great caliber as is the 308. Will you reload? If you do then the big challenge is finding brass for the 6.5. I went through this a little over a year ago and for me it came down to brass availability. I went with the 260. I don't shoot competitively so 308 was only a thought. Recoil on the 260 is reasonable, I went with the 260 because of brass. I just bought a barely shot Savage in 6.5 creedmore, didn't even think of keeping the barrel (I have a tentative sale on this) because of brass. I am using Lapua brass in the 260. You don't have much in the way of options in 6.5 Creedmore brass whereas you have lots of options in 260 or 308 brass. any of these 3 will shoot with similar accuracy if you do your job.