Hornady's new releases and new tips

[Rob01]

Nope none of the 200s. Sorry.

I am betting the Litz numbers will be very comparable as they tested using the same methods he does to get their BCs.

[Londerko]

Any idea where the 212s touch the lands compared to the 208 amax???
Ex: (208s touch my lands at 3.64". So 212s would touch at 3.7.....???)

[Rob01]

Not really but when I get home from work tomorrow I can try and get a rough estimate. It might not be too much longer as it looks like the ogives are slightly different between the two.

[Londerko]

Great! Thanks!

[Rob01]

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you but it's been one of those busy days. From the point on the ogive where the comparator sets to the tip on the 208 AMAX is about .800" and on the 212 ELD-X it is about .830". So your numbers weren't far off. With the 212 ELD-X you should only have a difference in OAL of about .030".

[Londerko]

Thank you very much for doing that. That is exactly what I was looking for.

[Rob01]

Glad to help out.

[Rob01]

Here is a picture of the 212 ELD-X loaded in a .308. It is loaded .020" off the lands in this dummy round and that makes it 2.920" long. A little long for the magazine but with the ogive on these bullets I am guessing they can jump but I will find out when I load up the actual rounds. I figured I would try some my .308. They might work with the 11twist. :cool:

http://i.imgur.com/olz44zf.jpg

[Londerko]

Cool!
I haven't heard anything official, but am I correct in assuming they are a secant ogive like a VLD?
Or more of a hybrid that isn't as sensitive to seating depth?

[Jaysee]

are these avail. in .223 (224) 75/80gr?

[Russ77]

Seen the videos and they look pretty sweet. Would they be more accurate then an FMJ for long distance shooting???? Just wondering

[Rob01]

Cool!
I haven't heard anything official, but am I correct in assuming they are a secant ogive like a VLD?
Or more of a hybrid that isn't as sensitive to seating depth?

Comparing the to the 208 AMAX, which has a more secant shape, the new 212 ELD-X appears to have a more tangent ogive so it should do ok for a jump. No official word on it yet but I will ask.

[Rob01]

are these avail. in .223 (224) 75/80gr?

No there isn't a plan to have the .223 bullets changed as the proportional effects of the BC change was in the higher BC bullets over about .5. The lower BC bullets didn't see as much, if any, effects.

[Rob01]

Seen the videos and they look pretty sweet. Would they be more accurate then an FMJ for long distance shooting???? Just wondering

Usually FMJ bullets aren't used for long range accuracy. Usually it's the BTHP design but with the new tip helping keep the BC up the new ELD line should have no problems being as accurate at long range. I have shot the AMAX for many years and they were always accurate for me. It wasn't so much the accuracy that was being effected but the tip deformation but the BC itself effecting trajectory and wind resistance.

[Rob01]

Well took the .308 rounds I loaded up with the 212s today. Started at 208 AMAX starting load of 38.1, then 38.6 and 39grns of Varget. Figured no higher until I saw if there was any pressure. No pressure in any of them. Accuracy wasn't great at 1-1.5 MOA but I didn't expect bugholes at the cooler temps, low velocities and 11 twist when a 10 twist is recommended. The groups did get smaller as powder charge went up so I am speculating I was on the very edge of stabilizing the bullets with speed and temp. Velocity averages were:

38.1- 2250fps
38.6- 2285fps
39- 2312fps

I was pleased with the velocities from a 20" barrel. I am planning on loading up some more tomorrow with higher powder charges and see if the groups get smaller. Will keep you updated.

I should be getting some 140 ELD-Ms for the 6.5 Creedmoor in the next couple weeks to test as well so I will update with those results when I get them in and loaded.

[Rob01]

Well went back out today with some of the 212 loads in the .308. Temperature dropped about 20 degrees from the last range trip so even though the velocities went up to just under 2400fps I am fighting a losing battle with those bullets in a 11 twist, short barreled .308 so the rest are getting shelved until the magnum is up and running.

The UPS man delivered some of the 6.5mm 140 ELD-M bullets today. Did a little measuring and they are about the same OAL as the 140 AMAX within a couple thousandths. The base to ogive length on the comparator was .005 longer on the ELD-M than the AMAX so basically 140 AMAX OALs of loaded ammo should be very close and still allow easily magazine length ammo. In person it appears the ogive is slightly more secant than the AMAX and you can see it a little in the picture below.

Now I have to find some time to load these up.

http://i.imgur.com/Vf81Eyq.jpg

[Gowheelin]

I am very intrigued by these...with the hope of all around bullet. They will be the first bullet I work up in my new 300wm bear hunter

[LongRange]

they look more like a hybrid...im going to have to try some when they are a little easier to find.

[Londerko]

Ya! The 212 looks awesome. But I'm particularly excited about the 200gr in my new 300wm. It has the same BC as a 210 VLD, but I should be able to hit 3000 fps no problem.
3K + .626 BC = epic long range medicine

[LongRange]

Ya! The 212 looks awesome. But I'm particularly excited about the 200gr in my new 300wm. It has the same BC as a 210 VLD, but I should be able to hit 3000 fps no problem.
3K + .626 BC = epic long range medicine

keep us posted on this...Winne The Boom has me thinking about putting my 300 back together.