How To Make 308 Brass From 30-06

[bigedp51]

Scope eye did not give us the neck thickness of the 30-06 before being converted to .308.

Scope Eye did not give us the neck thickness of the converted 30-06 to .308 case.

The annealed section of the 30-06 was cut off leaving the converted case with a thick neck that is not annealed.

Scope Eye did not tell us how much the die and expander are working the brass with approximately .003 thicker than normal necks.

You have had two posters now that have told the forum what Scope Eye did can cause problems.

This posting is not about who are Snake Eye's buddies, this is a reloading forum and case forming from 30-06 to .308 is not as simple as explained by Snake Eye.

I have been reloading for over 47 years and have used the 30-06 case to make other calibers. And sometimes the finished case is hard to chamber because the neck is too thick.

And this is where gauges come into play and annealing and neck turning should be added after forming the cases and doing all that work.

Bottom line, if you are going to make a presentation in a forum that the whole world can read then produce all the facts and results.

[earl39]

No one said Dean didn't know what he was doing even if Ed did question as to having the correct tools to do the job correctly. The way i read it was Dean didn't go into enough detail about the process incase a newbie read it and decided to make 308 brass that way. It really is not just size and cut and good to go with every brand of brass. Some brands you can do that with some chambers but without annealing the new neck will split in just a few loads and neck tension will not have any consistency. Dean will be the first to tell you that he pushes the envelope on some stuff and then the humorous comment about cutting a pressure relief grove in the side of the case. Yes i know that was a joke but we all tend to forget there are people out there that just don't know any better. It has to be true because it was on the internet.

[earl39]

While i was doing the above post and piddling around i see Ed got his post in ahead of me.

[bigedp51]

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[bc160]

Hey Dean don't let a few folks stop you from posting here. I for one have learned a great deal from your posts and continue to look forward to the wildcats you come up with.

[bigedp51]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/308-1_zpsmut1fwdr.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/308-2b_zps0sqhhooh.jpg

[Robinhood]

This is the Ed I remember. Welcome back.

[scope eye]

Since the theme of this thread is recklessness and total disregard for safety, here is a pic I took at the range today of my 300 WinMag, with 110gr Vmax and 88gr of RL17. With easy bolt lift to boot so you know what that means there is room for more, I don't have a grouping size since I was shooting at steel plate, but the splats were all clustered together so I figure 1/2" He, He, He.

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b536/jazzygirl44/insane_zpsdpxnj3xk.jpg (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jazzygirl44/media/insane_zpsdpxnj3xk.jpg.html)

Dean

[scope eye]

I had 2 rifles with me at the range today, here is my 300 WSM with the same 110gr Vmax's and 77gr of RL17.
it had the same spatter as the WinMag

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b536/jazzygirl44/insane2_zpsxzuvlshj.jpg (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jazzygirl44/media/insane2_zpsxzuvlshj.jpg.html)

Dean

[shagerott]

Those are right there with the .224 30-06 penetrators and I bet they group a whole lot better without a sabot! Nice!

[bigedp51]

How To Make 30-06 Brass From .308

"Since the theme of thread is recklessness and total disregard for safety"

I can't give you any neck thickness readings because this conversion doesn't have a neck. (but its "some really edgy stuff")

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/762nato3006_zps0c005d4c.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/762-30-06_zps36671c81.jpg

[scope eye]

So ED please tell us Inquiring minds want to know, how are thing over on 6BR/Accurate Shooter.

Dean

[bigedp51]

So ED please tell us Inquiring minds want to know, how are thing over on 6BR/Accurate Shooter.

Dean

Same thing at AccurateShooter.com, reaming, neck turning, annealing, only its not "some really edgy stuff" there with the big boys and its more detailed.

.308 brass from 30-06 brass

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/308-brass-from-30-06-brass.3873202/

Normally my post are not even close to being "really edgy stuff" but I do post the detailed results and measurements in my postings and photos.

And I have a .308 bolt action, a 30-06 bolt action and a M1 Garand, so I can also say been there, done that.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/RCBSPM_zps6d8754a4.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/RCBSCMG_zpsb95d3710.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/Picture009_zpsa5f7e7dd.jpg

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In another 30-06 to .308 posting the OP posted the neck thickness measurements and the fired neck diameter of a standard .308 case. He took a chamber cast with measurements and finally the neck thickness of the formed 30-06 to .308. He then went on to annealing, neck reaming, neck turning and fire forming.

The real problem in forums are the people who think they are the only ones who know how to reload.

[Robinhood]

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thr...brass.3873202/ (http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/308-brass-from-30-06-brass.3873202/)
Good stuff, Some of it is almost word for word what has been said here only no artwork. What is your moniker on The Shooters Forum.

[bigedp51]

Below a very detailed posting on case forming the 30-06 to .308, and it won't leave you saying "Where's the Beef" for detailed measurments. Also note the posted photos showing powder/carbon on the case necks and case shoulder. This was because the converted cases were not annealed and did not seal the chamber.

30-06 Sp to 308 Win - Neck measurements
http://www.reloadersnest.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21339&whichpage=1

[scope eye]

For all you 30-06 fans I did not forget about you here is my 30-06 with 110 Vmax's, I have never been able to get them over 4000 Fps, but this is very respectable and they are a blast to shoot, this is from a 30" 12 twist with a Serengeti chamber. I use a compressed load Of H4895 or AA2520 and IMR4064 also works well, for those not familiar a Serengeti chamber, is sorta like a 308 Palma it is a tighter chamber so you can run higher pressures only it's in 30-06. The groupings are also tighter than my SAMMI spec version.

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b536/jazzygirl44/30-06_zpsfgbb9pmc.jpg (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jazzygirl44/media/30-06_zpsfgbb9pmc.jpg.html)

Dean

[scope eye]

And last but not least we have our good old reliable 308 30" 12Twist and 46gr of H4198, 47gr will get you well over 3700 but only with Lapua Brass.

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b536/jazzygirl44/308-1_zpsolus5kde.jpg (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jazzygirl44/media/308-1_zpsolus5kde.jpg.html)

Dean

[gbflyer]

I have a Serengeti chamber also. Not tried the lightweights but it puts some serious zip on the 178-212 gr slugs with Superformance powder. I will not say how much as to be called a liar. I wonder what your experience is with it. I am unable to reach max published loads with IMR4350 or the Superformance by about 2-3 grains without signs of pressure in Lapua cases but I am exceeding max velocity by a good bit. The Winchester cases don't show the pressure, go figure.

[scope eye]

They are probably those China counterfeit Lapua cases.:wacko:

Dean

PS: It also really likes those 150 and 155gr Sierra's

[scope eye]

"It puts some serious zip on the 178-212 gr slugs with Superformance powder. I will not say how much as to be called a liar"

I can relate to that believe you me.

PS: I have been called a Liar so many times, I am now Immune to it, or it could be that I just don't give a Krapp anymore.