taylorce1
01-02-2017, 03:46 PM
Sorry but I need to ask some questions now. What are you shooting from a .308 case that is so bad recoiling?
Load testing sub 6lb custom rifles in .308 and 7mm-08 with heavy bullets 160+ in 7mm and 180+ in .308. Even a superlight .243 Win with 105+ grain bullets while not brutal, is quite a bit more than most people would expect. The rifles weren't so bad to shoot with the brakes installed, but they weren't exactly fun to shoot from a bench to develop loads without a brake. The .30-30 is okay to shoot as long as you're standing up shooting off hand, but the stock doesn't lend itself to bench work for load workup and sighting in a new aperture sight.
375 h&h is a totally different animal than a 338-378 wby. The 338-378 is a high energy, fast moving cartridge. The 375 h&h is heavy deep penetrating, slower moving cartridge. 338-378 shooting a 225-250 g bullet is designed to dump energy on impact. The h&h is made to push that heavy (300g) bullet as deep as it can, boring a big hole through bone, muscle and hide. Hence the missing backside of a deer when hit with a 338-378. I have never seen the 338 version, but I have experience with a 30-378 wby and it absolutely wrecked a mulie buck at 400 yards, close to a 6" exit on the far shoulder. No good meat on the right side ahead or the ribcage. That rifle now has a different owner.
A .375 H&H pushing a 235 grain bullet at 3000 fps isn't exactly a slow moving cartridge. Just because the H&H is over 100 years old doesn't mean that new bullets and powders don't allow you to change things up a little from launching 270+ grain bullets at moderate speeds. I've never used a .338-378 either but I've shot some other large capacity .338 & .375 cartridges.
Like I said if you're destroying a lot of meat with a big magnum cartridge you are using the wrong bullet. I've seen the whole offside of a deer ruined by a 168 grain Berger VLD out of a .280 at 400 yards as well and there wasn't an exit. From the front shoulder to the last rib on the off side was bloodshot and full of bullet fragments. I've also used successfully a 70 grain Nosler BT to take deer and pronghorn, it's a varmint bullet but slowed down it acts like a normal cup-n-core hunting bullet. Understanding how your bullet choice works on game is very important.
However, we aren't discussing supersized magnum cartridges. We are talking about the .338-06 and .35 Whelen! These aren't common cartridges so the OP will be better off reloading for these instead of relying on factory ammunition. So since the OP will more than likely be reloading for either of these if he chooses one, he can load them from mild to wild and I'm guessing he'll wind up somewhere in between. I'm betting he'll find a load that'll work just fine on a white tail and it won't damage the animal as badly as some smaller cartridges can.
Load testing sub 6lb custom rifles in .308 and 7mm-08 with heavy bullets 160+ in 7mm and 180+ in .308. Even a superlight .243 Win with 105+ grain bullets while not brutal, is quite a bit more than most people would expect. The rifles weren't so bad to shoot with the brakes installed, but they weren't exactly fun to shoot from a bench to develop loads without a brake. The .30-30 is okay to shoot as long as you're standing up shooting off hand, but the stock doesn't lend itself to bench work for load workup and sighting in a new aperture sight.
375 h&h is a totally different animal than a 338-378 wby. The 338-378 is a high energy, fast moving cartridge. The 375 h&h is heavy deep penetrating, slower moving cartridge. 338-378 shooting a 225-250 g bullet is designed to dump energy on impact. The h&h is made to push that heavy (300g) bullet as deep as it can, boring a big hole through bone, muscle and hide. Hence the missing backside of a deer when hit with a 338-378. I have never seen the 338 version, but I have experience with a 30-378 wby and it absolutely wrecked a mulie buck at 400 yards, close to a 6" exit on the far shoulder. No good meat on the right side ahead or the ribcage. That rifle now has a different owner.
A .375 H&H pushing a 235 grain bullet at 3000 fps isn't exactly a slow moving cartridge. Just because the H&H is over 100 years old doesn't mean that new bullets and powders don't allow you to change things up a little from launching 270+ grain bullets at moderate speeds. I've never used a .338-378 either but I've shot some other large capacity .338 & .375 cartridges.
Like I said if you're destroying a lot of meat with a big magnum cartridge you are using the wrong bullet. I've seen the whole offside of a deer ruined by a 168 grain Berger VLD out of a .280 at 400 yards as well and there wasn't an exit. From the front shoulder to the last rib on the off side was bloodshot and full of bullet fragments. I've also used successfully a 70 grain Nosler BT to take deer and pronghorn, it's a varmint bullet but slowed down it acts like a normal cup-n-core hunting bullet. Understanding how your bullet choice works on game is very important.
However, we aren't discussing supersized magnum cartridges. We are talking about the .338-06 and .35 Whelen! These aren't common cartridges so the OP will be better off reloading for these instead of relying on factory ammunition. So since the OP will more than likely be reloading for either of these if he chooses one, he can load them from mild to wild and I'm guessing he'll wind up somewhere in between. I'm betting he'll find a load that'll work just fine on a white tail and it won't damage the animal as badly as some smaller cartridges can.