6.8 Western

[deadduck357]

There already WAS one. The first Gen “short” action, or 110 Medium action. It was not popular. Actually a current thread here about one & troubles locating a scope rail for it.
Hmm, knew nothing about it. About when (year) were these available? Maybe at the time there weren't these 3.0" COALs. ???

[Dave Hoback]

Hmm, knew nothing about it. About when (year) were these available? Maybe at the time there weren't these 3.0" COALs. ???

It was used 1959-1987 https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?128-Savage-Action-Lengths

[efm77]

It seems there is a need for an action in between short and long. With cartridges like the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC having a SAAMI max length of 2.955" that exceeds the standards of the short 2.80" but may not feed/function ideally with long actions. ???

Actually, I've seen quite a few guys on here over the years who have chambered WSM's in long actions to be able to seat the bullets out farther. I don't recall them having feeding problems. If they did, I don't recall. Maybe would have to play with the feed rails on the mag box a little for the wider case but that would probably be about it. I could be wrong, but I don't remember it being a real problem.

[Robinhood]

6.8 wsm

[Newtosavage]

It seems there is a need for an action in between short and long. With cartridges like the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC having a SAAMI max length of 2.955" that exceeds the standards of the short 2.80" but may not feed/function ideally with long actions. ???

Compared to other manufacturers like Remington, the Savage short action kinda already is the "intermediate" length action with it's 3.00" magazine. I'm building a .284 Win (the grandaddy of all the short-fat-rebated rim cartridges) in a Savage short action because I realized all my finished rounds were right at or slightly less than 3.00", so there was no need for a long action. I have a 7x57 on a Savage long action, but truth be told I could fit that in a Savage 3.00" magazine too if I wanted.

[want2ride]

Hmm, knew nothing about it. About when (year) were these available? Maybe at the time there weren't these 3.0" COALs. ???
I measured a bunch of my savage short action magazines and AICS magazines.
dark eagle short std- 3.020
old style axis short std- 3.023
new axis/11 style 300WSM- 3.023
accustock style short STD- 3.013
Accurate Mag no binderplate 300WSM- 2.989
Accurate Mag No Binderplate 300 WSM - 2.976

[deadduck357]

Compared to other manufacturers like Remington, the Savage short action kinda already is the "intermediate" length action with it's 3.00" magazine. I'm building a .284 Win (the grandaddy of all the short-fat-rebated rim cartridges) in a Savage short action because I realized all my finished rounds were right at or slightly less than 3.00", so there was no need for a long action. I have a 7x57 on a Savage long action, but truth be told I could fit that in a Savage 3.00" magazine too if I wanted.
I wasn't aware but good to know. Thanks.

Too bad the 284 Win isn't more popular, it should be. Read somewhere that Lapua or Norma was going to start making brass for it (or already have).

[deadduck357]

I measured a bunch of my savage short action magazines and AICS magazines.
dark eagle short std- 3.020
old style axis short std- 3.023
new axis/11 style 300WSM- 3.023
accustock style short STD- 3.013
Accurate Mag no binderplate 300WSM- 2.989
Accurate Mag No Binderplate 300 WSM - 2.976
Much thanks for doing this. Good info.

Wonder if the Berger 170gr EOL would fit. ??

[Newtosavage]

I wasn't aware but good to know. Thanks.

Too bad the 284 Win isn't more popular, it should be. Read somewhere that Lapua or Norma was going to start making brass for it (or already have).

It's pretty popular with me. I just built a .284 Win on a long Savage LWS action and it's a great shooter. Much less recoil and better ballistics than the .280 Rem I used to own. After working up some loads I realized I could get what a wanted from a 3.00" COAL so I'm building another one on a short Savage LWS action with a lighter barrel profile. Final rifle should be just under 6 lbs. without optics and shoot a 160 grainer at 2850 fps. Not much that won't handle for me and it will be a pleasure to carry in the mountains.

[Dave Hoback]

It is odd how cartridge popularity works sometimes. Both the 6.5-284 & 7mm-08 are more popular outright that than the 284Win.

[wbm]

If I decide to build I may just go with the 284 Win


+1

[deadduck357]

It's pretty popular with me. I just built a .284 Win on a long Savage LWS action and it's a great shooter. Much less recoil and better ballistics than the .280 Rem I used to own. After working up some loads I realized I could get what a wanted from a 3.00" COAL so I'm building another one on a short Savage LWS action with a lighter barrel profile. Final rifle should be just under 6 lbs. without optics and shoot a 160 grainer at 2850 fps. Not much that won't handle for me and it will be a pleasure to carry in the mountains.
Sounds good. A 160 at 3.0" will be great. What bbl length you figure to get 2850?

[deadduck357]

It is odd how cartridge popularity works sometimes. Both the 6.5-284 & 7mm-08 are more popular outright that than the 284Win.
Don't think Winchester gave it much of a chance with what they chambered it in.

[yobuck]

Don't think Winchester gave it much of a chance with what they chambered it in.
But that was before the internet lol.
Firearms companies have always been looking for ways to improve sales.
The bottom line might be a better way to say it.
Some have worked well for them and some havent.
Ditto with the bullet makers.
Will it ever change?
Probably not, because as old E P Barnum said, (theres one born every minit).

[Newtosavage]

It is odd how cartridge popularity works sometimes. Both the 6.5-284 & 7mm-08 are more popular outright that than the 284Win.

There are good reasons for that, but the .284 Win is making a comeback these days and IMO it will be more popular than the 7mm-08 10-15 years from now.

The 7mm-08 has been my go-to hunting cartridge for a long while, but I often wished for just a little more horsepower when was out west. The .284 in a medium length action is IMO as close to the perfect hunting cartridge as a guy can find - throwing high-BC projectiles with great sectional density and useful hunting weights at a good speed with modest recoil. You can't ask for much more than that.

It's like the bigger, older brother to the 6.5 CM.

[Newtosavage]

Sounds good. A 160 at 3.0" will be great. What bbl length you figure to get 2850?

I was getting 2850 out of a 21" barrel. My new barrel will be a slimmer profile and 22" to start with. If I find that it's nose-heavy (reason I sold my last build) I'll trim it to 21"

[99 K 30-30]

OMG, another way to get your money. Plays off BOTH the short action and long range myths. Just cannot believe old JOC and countless others killed freight cars full of big game with the plain old 270 WCF ! I have killed well over 100 head of big game and my longest shot (on a poor doe Antelope some one had shot a leg off) was 407 yards with my 99 R 300 wearing a 4X Koli shooting 130 TSXs. If I were King --- no one would be allowed to hunt with a rifle until they had become a successful bowhunter (no compounds or crossbows) for 5 years running.

Wager that not 1 in 100 who buys this latest silly cartridge could hit a 6" pieplate at 500 yards from an improvised field position.

My last 5 speed goats were killed at 60 feet, 30 yards, 55 yards, 130 yards and 200 yards. 6.5x55, .452 MZ, 41 Swiss, 270 WCF and 280 AI.

I love to shoot at 1000 yards and more on steel gongs, not some wonderful animal that will die a horrible death if my wind or range calls are off 5%.

This gun is part Savage and will shoot MOA to 1000 and beyond. Lotsa fun but not for hunting big game !

https://i.imgur.com/zntAJTi.jpg


338 RUM, 36" bbl, 3000 fps w/300 Bergers.

https://i.imgur.com/1vO34CF.jpg

[yobuck]

OMG, another way to get your money. Plays off BOTH the short action and long range myths. Just cannot believe old JOC and countless others killed freight cars full of big game with the plain old 270 WCF ! I have killed well over 100 head of big game and my longest shot (on a poor doe Antelope some one had shot a leg off) was 407 yards with my 99 R 300 wearing a 4X Koli shooting 130 TSXs. If I were King --- no one would be allowed to hunt with a rifle until they had become a successful bowhunter (no compounds or crossbows) for 5 years running.

Wager that not 1 in 100 who buys this latest silly cartridge could hit a 6" pieplate at 500 yards from an improvised field position.

My last 5 speed goats were killed at 60 feet, 30 yards, 55 yards, 130 yards and 200 yards. 6.5x55, .452 MZ, 41 Swiss, 270 WCF and 280 AI.

I love to shoot at 1000 yards and more on steel gongs, not some wonderful animal that will die a horrible death if my wind or range calls are off 5%.

This gun is part Savage and will shoot MOA to 1000 and beyond. Lotsa fun but not for hunting big game !

https://i.imgur.com/zntAJTi.jpg


338 RUM, 36" bbl, 3000 fps w/300 Bergers.

https://i.imgur.com/1vO34CF.jpg
Well lucky for you you arent the King. lol
As for the gun pictured shooting minit of angle to 1000 yds ?
It will shoot as well as the shooter and prevailing conditions permit, ( at best ).
As for the 338 Rum and 3000 fps with a 300 gr, NO IT DOSENT.

[efm77]

He did say it was a 36" barrel. Maybe it reaches that speed with that long of a barrel?

[yobuck]

He did say it was a 36" barrel. Maybe it reaches that speed with that long of a barrel?
A long barrel in and of itself dosent produce velocity.
Powder produces velocity.
Years ago with the slow burn powders we used in the large cases, a long barrel was a requirement in order to get it burned before it just blew out the end of the barrel.
With modern powder the very long barrels are no longer necessary.
Check the capacity of that case as compared to say a 378 Weatherby case.
You might, but probably wont, get 3000 fps from a 378 Weatherby case using a 300 gr bullet.
My son has one, and i have several friends who do also, and none of them do.
A 416 Rigby case is close for capacity to the 378 Wetherby, and you will get 3000 fps or slightly better by using that one.
My brother in law gets 3050 with his which in fact does have a 36” barrel.
You might also get 3000 by using the improved version 338 Lapua case.
You wont get 3000 fps from a 338 Edge either with a 300 gr.