6.8 Western

[99 K 30-30]

yobuck back in the flatlands is uninformed about long range shooting, nitriding, 3 groove 36" barrels and 7200' of altitude,

Since he is so confident in his comment, I suggest he bet me $1000 it can't be done, get on a plane, come to WY, and watch it done in front of witnesses.

I am equally confident that will never happen.

Probably he is equally confident my 300 R 300 savage won't make 2950 with 130 TSXs.

Just love the armchair Generals who have never been shot at. Laffin !

Probably has no idea of the capability of this either.

https://i.imgur.com/31xT5Zc.jpg

[efm77]

A long barrel in and of itself dosent produce velocity.
Powder produces velocity.
Years ago with the slow burn powders we used in the large cases, a long barrel was a requirement in order to get it burned before it just blew out the end of the barrel.
With modern powder the very long barrels are no longer necessary.
Check the capacity of that case as compared to say a 378 Weatherby case.
You might, but probably wont, get 3000 fps from a 378 Weatherby case using a 300 gr bullet.
My son has one, and i have several friends who do also, and none of them do.
A 416 Rigby case is close for capacity to the 378 Wetherby, and you will get 3000 fps or slightly better by using that one.
My brother in law gets 3050 with his which in fact does have a 36” barrel.
You might also get 3000 by using the improved version 338 Lapua case.
You wont get 3000 fps from a 338 Edge either with a 300 gr.

You kind of made my point, in that the powder needs more barrel length to burn more completely which will produce more velocity. I'm not sure if the 338 RUM is capable of making that speed with a 300 grain bullet or not. But according to hodgdon's reloading data, with IMR8133, the 338 RUM can get around 2700fps with a 300 grain bullet from a 24" barrel. Adding another 12", at 25fps per inch, give or take, you're gonna be close. Of course, maybe the powder has burned completely by then and the drag of the barrel is starting to slow the bullet back down too, I don't know. I was merely thinking/asking that maybe it's possible with that length of barrel.

BTW, I'm glad he's not king either as I wouldn't like those rules, nor do I like being dictated. But I also don't advocate long range hunting either.

[99 K 30-30]

Well unlike some keyboard warriors, I am not in the habit of making up BS to impress others.

My load of 100 gr of RL 33 is not even "warm". If you don't understand the effects of nitriding, 3 grooves and altitude on velocity, it would be prudent, yobuck, to do some research before opining on what is and what is not possible.

BTW my Browning 1890 WY Cent. 25-06, 30" 1 in 13 twist, gets 3997 with 80 gr TTSX over SuperPerformance.

I have $1000 to bet does he ?

This one with a 28" bbl only gets 3250 fps up here.

https://i.imgur.com/RGonDmM.jpg

[Robinhood]

Well unlike some keyboard warriors, I am not in the habit of making up BS to impress others.

My load of 100 gr of RL 33 is not even "warm". If you don't understand the effects of nitriding, 3 grooves and altitude on velocity, it would be prudent, yobuck, to do some research before opining on what is and what is not possible.

BTW my Browning 1890 WY Cent. 25-06, 30" 1 in 13 twist, gets 3997 with 80 gr TTSX over SuperPerformance.

I have $1000 to bet does he ?

This one with a 28" bbl only gets 3250 fps up here.



No reason to get all fired up. Hang out and learn who yobuck is. Im old and he is old enough to be my dad. He likes to push the edge to keep discussion going and likes to flush out B.S. He is from Penn. Enough said.

Looking forward to some great dialog brother. Thanks for your service.

[yobuck]

[QUOTE=99 K 30-30;490365]Well unlike some keyboard warriors, I am not in the habit of making up BS to impress others.

My load of 100 gr of RL 33 is not even "warm". If you don't understand the effects of nitriding, 3 grooves and altitude on velocity, it would be prudent, yobuck, to do some research before opining on what is and what is not possible.

BTW my Browning 1890 WY Cent. 25-06, 30" 1 in 13 twist, gets 3997 with 80 gr TTSX over SuperPerformance.

I have $1000 to bet does he ?

This one with a 28" bbl only gets 3250 fps up here.

https://i.imgur.com/RGonDmM.jpg[/QUOTE
Well altitude does in fact have a positive affect on bullet performance at longer distances, no argument there.
But it has no affect as to the the velocity of the cartridge at the muzzel.
I am aware of the nitriting process, but im of the opinion its done primarily as a method for extending barrel life, not increasing velocity.
I have a large jug of RL 33 and we have used it, but we get better velocity with Retumbo and a few others.
Im not knocking your cartridge mind you as it is a good one.
But it just isnt nearly as good as your advertising it is as for velocity.
Nice B&L 6x24 you have there though.
Looks like whoever set it up knew how to do it.
If the screws holding it onto the bases are 7.25” center to center as it appears they could be, then you could dial the scope using 1/4 minit data.
That is if it had a decent setup for dialing, which it dosent.

[wbm]

Has there been any rumors of Savage chambering the 6.8 Western?

Ok. Why not get back to to the OP's question?

Not even a whisper about Savage chambering for it. But your question got me interested in the 6.8 Western so I did a lot of reading about it. What I read from Winchester and Browning is that their objective for this cartridge is to provide a "better" alternative to the 270WSM and 6.5 PRC and to provide performance that will "overshadow the 6.5 Creedmoor". Whether any other gun maker will chamber for it seems to be dependent on whether it achieves the designers objectives.
So, seems to me if Winchester and Browning hit hard with market hype like Hornady did with the 6.5CM they might achieve their goals.

Guns Magazine review was , my take, "Meh".
American Hunter a bit better. "For the hunter who spends the majority of his or her time in the whitetail woods, it may not offer much of an advantage over the time-honored .270 Winchester, but for the hunter who intends to pursue a wide variety of game, it is a very flexible cartridge, worthy of considering"

With reviews like this I think Savage may take a wait-and-see approach.

[Fuj']

Ok. Why not get back to to the OP's question?

I'm personally not looking at this cartridge. It's old news in my opinion, and
looking at it from a wild catter's point of view, it's been done already. The
difference here is, an established brand brought it to market. But any way,
pick your poison.....I brew my own.

[wbm]

Think you are right.

[Stumpkiller]

Well unlike some keyboard warriors, I am not in the habit of making up BS to impress others.

My load of 100 gr of RL 33 is not even "warm". If you don't understand the effects of nitriding, 3 grooves and altitude on velocity, it would be prudent, yobuck, to do some research before opining on what is and what is not possible.

BTW my Browning 1890 WY Cent. 25-06, 30" 1 in 13 twist, gets 3997 with 80 gr TTSX over SuperPerformance.

I have $1000 to bet does he ?

This one with a 28" bbl only gets 3250 fps up here.

https://i.imgur.com/RGonDmM.jpg

Boy, does that bring back memories. A good friend's father (who was also a good friend as I grew older) had a similar .25-06, but built on a Mauser '98 action. That was in the mid 1970's. Unertl scope with windage on the mounts. It was a rifle we clamored over to get to shoot.

[Robinhood]

why not a 7mm version.

[99 K 30-30]

I tend to doubt our PA expert is any older than I am and further wonder if his experience handloading and shooting long range rifles approaches mine.

A few more from my safe:

243 and 300 H&H bull gun (Both now also wearing 2" Unertls)

https://i.imgur.com/oFF0tjT.jpg

308, 220 Swift, 270 WCF

https://i.imgur.com/ZcI4yWO.jpg

7x61 S&H

https://i.imgur.com/1IkioU3.jpg

6.5-300 BEE

https://i.imgur.com/n0O0bV1.jpg

6.5 Creedmore

https://i.imgur.com/a1dz9C4.jpg

I'm sitting here in THE EQUALITY STATE with $1000 awaiting him to step up. HMMMMMMM-------

[99 K 30-30]

It's a solution in search of a problem.

Might have some use in F Class although it kicks more than a 6mm Creed or 224 Valkyrie.

For hunting. given the MT/WY/ID stats on Elk kills a 30-06 with 180 cup-n-core softpoints would works as well for 99% of hunters, and my R1 300 Winny with 168 TTSXs would do it for 100%.

https://i.imgur.com/6rWzTwy.jpg

But I don't kill Elk far away as they are neither genius IQ or bullet proof.

My last one kileed at 18 paces with a flinter.

https://i.imgur.com/Xh2Tpvp.jpg

made famous by this guy.

https://i.imgur.com/KArvS2F.jpg

[Robinhood]

I tend to doubt our PA expert is any older than I am and further wonder if his experience handloading and shooting long range rifles approaches mine.

A few more from my safe:

243 and 300 H&H bull gun (Both now also wearing 2" Unertls)

https://i.imgur.com/oFF0tjT.jpg

308, 220 Swift, 270 WCF

https://i.imgur.com/ZcI4yWO.jpg

7x61 S&H

https://i.imgur.com/1IkioU3.jpg

6.5-300 BEE

https://i.imgur.com/n0O0bV1.jpg

6.5 Creedmore

https://i.imgur.com/a1dz9C4.jpg

I'm sitting here in THE EQUALITY STATE with $1000 awaiting him to step up. HMMMMMMM-------

Nice collection. Damn you are old. Yobuck is 104 I think. Or maybe he is 82... I forgot.

[wbm]

It's a solution in search of a problem.

+1

[99 K 30-30]

Yup kinda like the 6.5 NeedMore that reinvented the 6.5x55. (and don't bother with the short action BS)

[deadduck357]

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[deadduck357]

I'm personally not looking at this cartridge. It's old news in my opinion, and
looking at it from a wild catter's point of view, it's been done already. The
difference here is, an established brand brought it to market. But any way,
pick your poison.....I brew my own.
After looking up some ballistics it really doesn't offer much more than the 270 Win and about even with 270 WSM unless you start figuring beyond 1,000 yds. I'm not at all against it but the 6.5 PRC seems more appealing to me.

[deadduck357]

Yup kinda like the 6.5 NeedMore that reinvented the 6.5x55. (and don't bother with the short action BS)
Seems that mfrs are offering and forming current cartridge cases to take modern high BC bullets.

[yobuck]

Nice collection. Damn you are old. Yobuck is 104 I think. Or maybe he is 82... I forgot.
Actually i turned 86 in April.
And no i dont have a collection of nice guns that could come close to his.
So i guess since he has the most nice toys he wins. lol
But the fact is that he never used any of those Unertle’s for actual long range (hunting.)
And the fact is i did, which is why when better choices came along i moved on.
Because if he had, his would have all found a new home by now also.
Ditto with the Balvars.
But hey, dont take my word, take a trip anywhere where top shooters are congregated, like say Camp Perry, or any of the 1000 yd benchrest clubs and see if you find any Unertle’s or B&Ls.
And you wont be finding many of the nice old model 70s either.
It’s no different than having a collection of nice old bamboo fly rods.
Nice to look at, but other than that they mean nothing, especially with regard to the owner.
As for the velocity issue thats an easy one to solve even without a Chrony.
The number of clicks on the dial after a shot will tell the (real) velocity.
Provided the scope blocks on those old scopes are spaced properly. lol

[Robinhood]

Actually i turned 86 in April.
And no i dont have a collection of nice guns that could come close to his.
So i guess since he has the most nice toys he wins. lol
But the fact is that he never used any of those Unertle’s for actual long range (hunting.)
And the fact is i did, which is why when better choices came along i moved on.
Because if he had, his would have all found a new home by now also.
Ditto with the Balvars.
But hey, dont take my word, take a trip anywhere where top shooters are congregated, like say Camp Perry, or any of the 1000 yd benchrest clubs and see if you find any Unertle’s or B&Ls.
And you wont be finding many of the nice old model 70s either.
It’s no different than having a collection of nice old bamboo fly rods.
Nice to look at, but other than that they mean nothing, especially with regard to the owner.
As for the velocity issue thats an easy one to solve even without a Chrony.
The number of clicks on the dial after a shot will tell the (real) velocity.
Provided the scope blocks on those old scopes are spaced properly. lol


I agree Mr buck. Except for the 86. Same age as my dear mother.

She says go with the Zero Compromise Optics for Position Shooting at varied ranges and March for the BR or BBR type shooting. In a pinch NF is a great option. I'm with her.