300 rum

[Dave Hoback]

The RUM would be my choice if I was to ever want to get serious about Extreme Long Range shooting. That crazy 2 mile nonsense! Either the 7mm or 300. But I’ve no interest in the teeth rattling recoil. It is vicious!

Just wanted to check my memory... I didn’t recall alluding to the RUM’s being either GOOD or BAD. Rather that it simply is what I would CHOOSE, if I was interested in ELR shooting.

Turns out my memory had not failed me, but thanks there chief..

[Fuj']

Rather that it simply is what I would CHOOSE, if I was interested in ELR shooting. .

For general ELR plinking and fun, a Rum would work, Especially if necked up to the .338.
And that is considered minimal. There is a new Queen in town. A Lady beat all the boys
at the 2 mile game shooting a 375 Chey Tac. Go big or go home.

As for the OP ? I would sell before doing a rebuild.

As for Leupold ?? They are good scopes, but I'll keep my Bushnell's.

[Dave Hoback]

Well that’s not surprising.... The Soviets caught on to that a LONG time ago. Women generally made better snipers than did men. I can say from an instruction standpoint, the women I trained were almost always ended up having better accuracy than the men. Would make me laugh when the men in couples would talk about their GF’s needing a smaller gun because of their small hands & recoil, etc.

[yobuck]

I’m sure your being funny but for the new kids, the eye box is referring to how precisely your eye needs to sit behind the scope in relation to where it was when you sighted it in so that the poi will not change. And yes compared to some high end scopes leupold is subpar. Of course I’m too poor to buy that kind of glass.


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I actually dont try to be funny, i simply repeat some of what i read on the internet.
Realize if you can that new terms seem to be created for old issues and some of us get lost in all of it.
Before the internet for example and the world became much smarter, we simply mounted scopes with a screwdriver.
And the gun user would simply shoulder the gun to see how i looked to him.
It might require a bit of tweeking one way or the other to make the reticle look correct as for plumb, at least for him, or maybe even her.
And it might also have required the scope being moved forward or back a bit to correct any (eye relief) issues before final tightening with the (screwdriver). Torque drivers became necessary only because they started cheating on the scope tubes.
So the term eyebox just sorta snuck in there somehow and left some of us a bit confused as to what it actually was.
It probably happened as a way to get our minds away from the cheaper scope tubes.
Hey, it does have a really great eyebox, and it tracks really well also.
Perfect for my new 6.5 Crymore when/if i decide to really stretch its legs way out there.
And of coarse some of the old loopys still in use by the some of the old loonys have bad eyeboxes, and it isnt even being realized.

[ninner]

Growing up we never had a term for it but I always knew if I shot my dad, uncles or brothers scoped rifle I’d have a different poi than them probably because I shoot left handed and my cheek would rest on the comb a little different. We all used red fields back then.


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[yobuck]

[QUOTE=Fuj';494277]For general ELR plinking and fun, a Rum would work, Especially if necked up to the .338.
And that is considered minimal. There is a new Queen in town. A Lady beat all the boys
at the 2 mile game shooting a 375 Chey Tac. Go big or go home.

As for the OP ? I would sell before doing a rebuild.
Well a guy by name of Shawn did neck one up to 338 Fuj, and for some reason he called it a 338 Edge.
It it so good in fact he decided he needed to build a better one, and i believe he calls that the Terminator, which it actually isnt.
Maybe he should have named it the Ahhnold.
As for Bushnell, they for sure have the ability to build very good optics.
Problem is building them good and also cheap, which is where most of the consumers today happen to be.
As you may know, Pa. no doubt has the highest percentage of long range hunters in the entire country.
And virtually all of them use large binoculars on tripods for both finding game and calling shots for the shooter.
Probably at least 90 percent of the hunters are using 2 spotting scopes in a machined adjustable bracket for that purpose.
And of those, by far, the highest percentage of scopes used are the older version of the Bushnell Spacemaster.
Im talking about 25 year old scopes and some much older.
And there are very good reasons for that beside the cost.

[Fuj']

Well that’s not surprising.... The Soviets caught on to that a LONG time ago. Women generally made better snipers than did men. I can say from an instruction standpoint, the women I trained were almost always ended up having better accuracy than the men. Would make me laugh when the men in couples would talk about their GF’s needing a smaller gun because of their small hands & recoil, etc.

Not to derail this thread any further but. Ridgway Pa has it's 1000 yard VBR shoots.
This years 2 day championships saw Shelly Brenen beating the boys and taking the
high agg. First woman ever to win overall. I just shot with Shelly and her Husband
Steve at the Anderson Creek 400 yard finali at Chestnut Grove Pa. Pulled off a 3 way
tie for third with them. Normally she kicks my ass, but wind was in my favor, and I
won smallest group. Flags and wind socks were stretched out all day. With some of
the best shooters in Pa, I managed a 3.98" group at 400. They guy's running the 6mm's
were lucky to even keep em' on paper. Chair's were being blown over and cars in the
parking lot were rocking. In the mountains they just call it a breeze.

Yobuck....Been shooting a Night Force comp for the long stuff. My 4.5-30x50 XRS for
all the short courses. You might see an occasional 40X Leupold but Night Force seems
to be on most, with a smattering of Sightron and Vortex GE's. It's a shame Bushnell
never came out with anything over 30X

[Dave Hoback]

So, uhh, conjecture much..but that aside.

Pennsylvania MAY or MAY not have the highest % of long range hunters. I’m not even sure how one would quantify that information...the variables involved are more than I’d want to correlate. As for the the “older is better” argument: Of course each is free to believe what they want. But unfortunately...doesn’t make it FACT. As far as I’ve always believed(and still do), torque measurements for scopes, Action screws, ANYTHING..., was about having a repeatable tolerance for increased precision. As for scope tube material.... 6061 became available to firearms manufacturers in 1935. 6061 Aluminum was primarily chosen for it’s strength/weight ratio. Now, I can tell you that 6061-T6 Aluminum from say, 1980, 1997 or 2021 is exactly the same! The chemical composition is identical & only technique of manufacturing has changed for increased production. Now, it’s been discussed, why not 7075 Aluminum for its massively superior strength. In simple terms, objects with a thin material cross section, such as a scope tube, 7075 is far too brittle for the fatigue load associated with recoil.

And I know all this is Way off topic. But....

[Dave Hoback]

Not to derail this thread any further but. Ridgway Pa has it's 1000 yard VBR shoots.
This years 2 day championships saw Shelly Brenen beating the boys and taking the
high agg. First woman ever to win overall. I just shot with Shelly and her Husband
Steve at the Anderson Creek 400 yard finali at Chestnut Grove Pa. Pulled off a 3 way
tie for third with them. Normally she kicks my ass, but wind was in my favor, and I
won smallest group. Flags and wind socks were stretched out all day. With some of
the best shooters in Pa, I managed a 3.98" group at 400. They guy's running the 6mm's
were lucky to even keep em' on paper. Chair's were being blown over and cars in the
parking lot were rocking. In the mountains they just call it a breeze.

Really? Wow! Wind was keeping the 6mm shooters from even scoring? Crazy! What were you shooting Fuj?

[yobuck]

Not to derail this thread any further but. Ridgway Pa has it's 1000 yard VBR shoots.
This years 2 day championships saw Shelly Brenen beating the boys and taking the
high agg. First woman ever to win overall. I just shot with Shelly and her Husband
Steve at the Anderson Creek 400 yard finali at Chestnut Grove Pa. Pulled off a 3 way
tie for third with them. Normally she kicks my ass, but wind was in my favor, and I
won smallest group. Flags and wind socks were stretched out all day. With some of
the best shooters in Pa, I managed a 3.98" group at 400. They guy's running the 6mm's
were lucky to even keep em' on paper. Chair's were being blown over and cars in the
parking lot were rocking. In the mountains they just call it a breeze.

Yobuck....Been shooting a Night Force comp for the long stuff. My 4.5-30x50 XRS for
all the short courses. You might see an occasional 40X Leupold but Night Force seems
to be on most, with a smattering of Sightron and Vortex GE's. It's a shame Bushnell
never came out with anything over 30X
Yes Fuj there are some woman out there who can trounce the men at their own game. lol
I have a younger sister, now 83 who within 6 months time was the best smallbore shooter in the family shooting a 52 winchester.
But of coarse that wasent saying all that much as for shooting ability. lol
At age 15 she became the national junior girls smallbore champion and had been shooting only about 2 years.
I know the target shooters like lots of scope power, one of my old buddies recently started shooting at Williamsport again after about a 25 year layoff.
He told me last week he just picked up an old 36 power Leupold at a gun show. Im guessing the power had been bumped up.
I dont know how you can deal with the mirage at that power.

[yobuck]

So, uhh, conjecture much..but that aside.

Pennsylvania MAY or MAY not have the highest % of long range hunters. I’m not even sure how one would quantify that information...the variables involved are more than I’d want to correlate. As for the the “older is better” argument: Of course each is free to believe what they want. But unfortunately...doesn’t make it FACT. As far as I’ve always believed(and still do), torque measurements for scopes, Action screws, ANYTHING..., was about having a repeatable tolerance for increased precision. As for scope tube material.... 6061 became available to firearms manufacturers in 1935. 6061 Aluminum was primarily chosen for it’s strength/weight ratio. Now, I can tell you that 6061-T6 Aluminum from say, 1980, 1997 or 2021 is exactly the same! The chemical composition is identical & only technique of manufacturing has changed for increased production. Now, it’s been discussed, why not 7075 Aluminum for its massively superior strength. In simple terms, objects with a thin material cross section, such as a scope tube, 7075 is far too brittle for the fatigue load associated with recoil.

And I know all this is Way off topic. But....
Your talking about material type, but overlooking the amount, as in thickness.
Tin foil thick tubes will crush, regardless as to the material makeup.
Fact is that there are still some very well known gunsmiths having built world record holding guns who still use screwdrivers to install good quality scopes.
As for the LR hunter numbers, fact is that is correct, but fact also is that things are changing, and who knows for how much longer.a

[Fuj']

Really? Wow! Wind was keeping the 6mm shooters from even scoring? Crazy! What were you shooting Fuj?

Crazy wind. All shots looked like random fliers. I shot my SA284 wild cat with 183 SMK's.
First place used a 6.5x47. The people that showed up with 6BR's and 6ppc's struggled
to keep from cross firing.

[Fuj']

I dont know how you can deal with the mirage at that power.

I still hear that a lot but it's a 15-55X. Mirage gets bad I just back off the power
and recheck parallax. I shot the above match at full 55X. You have to love those
cool overcast day's

[Fuj']

Scope material ?? The engineers one day will do a carbon fiber tube.
With the weight rules in varying classes and the drive for heavier barrel's
people will buy them, damn the costs.

[Dave Hoback]

No, I specifically mentioned tube wall thickness. Read again. Let me expound. Scope tube wall thickness of pretty much all scopes is roughly .098” +/- .020”. The reason for the slimmer wall thickness was precisely what shooters asked for.... WEIGHT SAVINGS! Any little bit gained, while still meeting minimum strength requirements was considered the “Holy Grail”. Has nothing to do with cost savings whatsoever, as 6061 aluminum is a quite cost effective material. So being, you are likely to find the more expensive scopes with among the thinnest scope walls. (Again, best weight savings).

[Jonesn4it]

I have a 7mm rem magnum action I'm interested in trading for your rum if your interested. I'm trying to build and 7mm stw and it would be much easier on your action.

[Jonesn4it]

If your interested we could do a complete gun swap. Mind a is a 111 7mm Magnum very low round count, I've just got a barrel for an stw and wanna use it, mine is a small shank.

[Robinhood]

Sorry Jones, I forgot you had a small shank barrel. His RUM action is large shank. It is still the best STW action and mag combo though.

[Jonesn4it]

Not a big deal Robin, I appreciate the effort either way. I haven't figured out how to send a message to a member yet lol but if anyone here has parts from a 300 rum for sale let me know. Thanks

[efm77]

Sorry Jones, I forgot you had a small shank barrel. His RUM action is large shank. It is still the best STW action and mag combo though.

I don't see where the OP ever specified the shank size. You may want to verify that with him. I asked about it but I don't see where he responded. Early RUM's were small shank first before Savage switched them to large shank actions/barrels.