223 vs 25-06 on prairie dogs

[Scott Evans]

5 lb CO2 bottle upside down in the back of the Tahoe, plumbing and valves, small orifice nozzle (.020") that fits inside an open bolt = no more barrel heating worries

;D

[Tracer]

Now one thing I can NOT due with a 25-06 of mine is shoot 500 rounds a day and be able to lift my fork in the morning at breakfast! I do believe the 25-06 is one heck of a dual purpose caliber for deer and P-dogs alike but I have more fun shooting the .223 and running up the scores on p-dogs than using the 1/4-bore all day long. Now if there is a varmint out there a fair piece, like 350 plus and I want to pull his tag, I simply put that 25-06 rifle on the target.........THE END.

I might shoot my 25-06 around 200 times on a dog hunt but I shoot that 22-250 and .223 at least 2000 rounds during the week. I still love that new .204 Ruger I have in a model 12 Savage. It is so much fun to shoot!

[sha-ul]

Just keep in mind, the 223 Remington is neither fish nor fowl.

It does not have the accuracy of the original 222 Remington nor the velocity potential of the 222 Remington Magnum.

OK, I can understand the 223 has less case capacity that the 222M, but how is the 222 more accurate than the 223? why would adding .060" behind the shoulder detract from the accuracy?

[shaman]

what excuse can one give for continuing to even own a 223 ?



Price
recoil
availability
shots till too hot
weight
range of barrel twist to fully utilize the caliber
I used it in "insert theater here"
I have a .223
I don't want a long action rifle for "insert reason",
I don't want to sell something that I have ammo, reloading materials, and rifles for
Having a well rounded collection means not leaving out the .224 variety
and lastly, not really lastly, but will be last for now, I can never have enough guns

[Hammer]

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... how is the 222 more accurate than the 223?




How many national benchrest rifle championships have been won with the 223 ?

How many with the 222 ?


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[sha-ul]

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... how is the 222 more accurate than the 223?




How many national benchrest rifle championships have been won with the 223 ?

How many with the 222 ?


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What difference does adding or subtracting 1/16 of length on otherwise identical cases have on accuracy? Not trolling here, but why is one so much better in you opinion?

[Hammer]

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Can't explain all the reasons.

Perhaps the longer case neck of the 222 accounts for something.


But in the quarter century before the introduction of the 6PPC...

Nearly every benchrest record was set and every national championship was won with the 222 Remington.

There has to be some, but I don't know of a single benchrest record or championship with a 223.

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[sha-ul]

it just seems rather odd& illogical that 2 cases where all the specs should be the same other than 0.060 in case length would perform so much differently. :-\
how does the 223 perform using 222 load data? is the throat/lead different?

[Hammer]

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But the specs, like the case neck length, are not the same.

Also, maybe the case capacity and powder volume of the 222 just hits a nice sweet spot.

Or maybe the 223 is cursed by the gods...

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[lomfs24]

Thinking of quarter bore... why was the 25-08 or .25 Souper never a big hit? I would think that would be an excellent varmint gun. Is it too close to the .243 and just never caught on?

[Hammer]

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In the 308 Winchester size department we have the 243 Win, 260 Rem, 7mm-08 Rem, 308 Win, 338 Federal, and 358 Winchester.

For varmints, looks like the 6mm's took over once the 243 Win and 6mm Rem were commercialized and sort of snuft out interest in 257 caliber varmint guns.

Of course, anyone with a small bore is taking their life into their own hands.

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[Bad Water Bill]

I had a 223 Savage bbl re chambered to 222 by an OLD TIME gunsmith. He said his 222 has over 10K rounds down the tube and still looks great. It is his favorite fun gun. He would like to play with the fast twist but is getting up in years now.

If a guy like HARRY Mc GOWEN likes it what more do I need before saying go for it.

[Martin]

Hammer,
You remind me of Elmer Keith. "If its bigger its better". ;D
Martin

[Hammer]

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You remind me of Elmer Keith.





I got to know Elmer Keith before he passed away.

Visited with him in his home many times.

Tortured him with questions.

I have his 458 African rifle.

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[Senderofan]

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You remind me of Elmer Keith.





I got to know Elmer Keith before he passed away.

Visited with him in his home many times.

Tortured him with questions.

I have his 458 African rifle.

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Hammer:

I'm sure you know how truly "Blessed" you are to have known the man....and to have had the opportunity to learn from him. A once in many life times type of opportunity.

Wayne

[Three44s]

Hammer,

Good on you for knowing Elmer that well!!!

He truely seems to have gotten to you during your formative years!!!!

But I thought you were a Swift man?


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Last year, I built a Savage into a bull 26" SS .25-06 ......... I like it.

A few weeks ago I did some tradin' and ended up with an A-bolt Boss in .25-06 ......

I am FAST becoming a big fan of that cartridge!!

My pre-.44 mag time is now considered to me as my "lost days" ......... I have no doubt that the same will be felt about my recent conversion to the .25-06!

But my .223's and .222's, .22-250 and several .243's are not going anywhere.

If the job calls for a Toyota ........ a Toyota gets the nod ............ IF the job calls for a Mack truck ......... then it's a Mack!

Sometimes one only needs a bicycle .......... then I reach for a .22 mag or the .17 HMR ..... or just reach for a fly swatter or sic the dogs on it!!!

Best regards

Three 44s

[5spd]

I would bet that I have put more p-dogs to pieces & zero survivors with my .223s using a 50gr vmax in the last 6 months than most do in an entire lifetime and without as much noise or recoil & at a lesser expense................ :P

[Hammer]

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Congratulations on your past six months.

Wish we all could have helped you with your burden.


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[sniper15545]

I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!! ONE OF EACH!!!!!!!!!!!

[jglover_81]

The best situation would be to teach yourself to be ambidextrous and have one for each shoulder. Once you could master that art one could finally have an honest opinion of which one was better.... until then it is only a matter of opinion :o