Weather would be my guess. Winds aren't that high, cooler temps, humidity not as high.
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So after checking several posts of different blogs and websites , calling about 15 people to get all possible info it is stil a big 'questionmark' for me to upgrade a Savage rile / action
9.9 out of 10 tell me - don't do it - just get a customs build rifle - you can get a GAP for 3500.00 was even a reply from one of the previous Savage custom build rifle
Also none of them still owned the rifle - all sold them in the meantime.
Yesterday I spoke to an owner who went pretty far - or let's say - 85 % of what you can do - to get the maximum out of the Savage.
He used a Savage 12 LRP in Creedmoor 6.5 - rifle was doing 0.5 MOA out of the box
After changing the stock to a Elite Tactical folding Manners ($ 1600.00) - with a mini chassis - he managed to get the rifle to 0.25 MOA
He also mentioned to check the Remington rounds - if my rifle likes them - since that made part of the improvement - together with the stock - to the 0.25 MOA result
You also need another barrel since the Savage stock barrel works fine until 800+ rounds and than it starts loosing it's precision
And it's pretty heavy - to heavy for Tactical Matches
Than there is still the truing and timing to do
There are a few people out there - capable of doing this job - and bringing up the action to a higher level in precision
Than we still need a Tactical bolt knob - a muzzle brake - better extractor - BDM - gunsmith fee, etc . . .
So making the calculation I guess we are at the price of a custom build rifle - maybe a few hundred bucks lower
And than the big problem later is Return On Investment
Who wants to pay me around $ 4000.00 for a Savage even if it is a custom build one ?
Only you can decide if it's worth it or not.....It may help with smoothness and possibly improve usability but I for one think it's unnecessary from an accuracy standpoint. From what I've read about the process there is nothing being done that gets the bullet down the barrel any better, which is ultimately where the accuracy lies. It's just another way to get into my pocketbook.
Have you ever cycled a custom made action like a Defiance, Surgeon, BigHorn . . . than you know what they cost 3 times the price of a standard Remington 700 or Savage action
Until today there is no-one - that I know of at least - that is making a Savage action up to that level
But the Savage is way more accurate out of the box compared to a Rem 700 action - but none of both - is up to the level of the custom actions
Especially the Savage 12 Precision action - they shoot 0.5 MOA without any problem with factory ammo !
I can see if your competing to spend the bucks but if your just range shooting with your buddies for bragging rights, or just have money to burn, why do it?
The mausingfield action. The ultimate savage switchbarrel action. Ain't cheap though
I shoot F-class @ 600 & 1000 yards with my Savage 12 and it works - right out of the box - competing again guys with 6 K + rifles
Best score yet 194-6X after 4 matches with factory Hornady Creedmoor 6.5 ELD-M 140 grain
But I want to start shooting Tactical Matches / Precision Rifle Series
What I found back - that there was only 1 shooter in the PRS matches - shooting a Savage 10T IIRC in 308
After running into some problems with the action he even quit using the Savage . . .
Its great to hear someone with a rifle thats not nuts on cost beat the expensive rifles. Kudo's to you. Am hearing more complaints of savage actions binding enough to drop savage rifles, or getting them trued. I know if I tried to speed up loading it will jam up. Slow works. Will getting a savage rifle trued eliminate jamming or binding? Would suck spending the cash and it still does it. Am hoping savage gets off there ass and get the stealth rifles in the stores. Supposed to be trued actions. The ashberry is supposed to be to. Will be holding onto my cash to see if the ashberry will be worth the estimated $1700 bucks.
I highly doubt the stealth Will be any better. I shot a Shilen DGR, Savage bolt head in a Remington 700 footprint, Custom action all that. Bolt still bound up, still have weak ejection issues. I got rid of it just like my Savage actions. I've already answered all the questions in this thread through personal experience. Stop trying to slap lipstick on a pig and expect to get a supermodel.
It is what it is. If they worked for what you're trying to do, I'd still be shooting a Savage action....
I listened . . . and bought a custom action - the BigHorn TL3
Finally it costs the same amount of money building a custom rifle going with the Savage other a custom action - maybe you can save a few hundred using the Savage - but many tried already and gave up and sold their Savage custom rifle since the results weren't there in the long run
Besides that those 'believers' each lost a lot of money selling the rifle
So I am going the right direction after taking advice from people who tried !
Why should I be able to make it work ?
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Nobody said they are crap - they are just not up to level - but neither are the stock Rem 700
Best actions out there are
Defiance
Surgeon
Mausingfield
BigHorn
Kelbly's
Stiller
Accuracy International
Badger
BAT
Gap Tempest
Hawk Hill
FNH
McMillan
And some more - one better than the other
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Oh, I read the title and thought we were talking about truing Savage action. That long range and lone wolf will drag you down so bad roads with all of the custom action talk.
We where talking about trueing a Savage action and went through all sort of possibilities
Probably people will shoot me . . . 😉
As posted earlier I am in search for the Savage grail.
But going deeper and deeper into it - no one untill right now told me that they shoot tactical / PRS matches using a Savage
All the people I talked too who went that route . . . sold them
Even shooters who invested over 4000 bucks upgrading their Savage
I checked all PRS shooters, PRBlog, surfing the Web for days . . . not one Savage shooter / thread I could find - only people asking the same question just like me : should I invest my money into a Savage rifle or not ?
So something has to be 'wrong'
I even posted a thread here on the SS forum and not one reply . . . .
Now I own a Savage 12 LRP and it is a blast of a rifle out of the box - 0.5 MOA with factory ammo
Not only mine but all Savage perform like this - don't get me wrong !
But I want to shoot competition and don't want to make the same 'wrong' investment as many did before me
Now if I find a sponsor who wants to back me up . . . I am all ears and still prepared to use a Savage !
Maybe I should give Savage Arms a ring and see what they have to offer !
Nothing wrong being a factory sponsored shooter
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Now getting back to the Savage building it to get it as close as possible as an custom action build rifle
Using a Savage action :
Savage Precision action 450
Barrel 350
BDM 200
Magazines (3) 225
Truing & timing action & bolted & update ejector 350
Timny trigger 150
Tactical bolt knob 65
Manners stock MCS-T4A 850
Muzzle brake 200
Shipping of parts 300
Gunsmith 1200
So the total build will cost 4,340.00
Using a Custom action :
Action 1300
Barrel 350
BDM 200
Magazines (3) 225
Timny trigger 150
Manners stock MCS-T4A 850
Muzzle brake 200
Shipping of parts 300
Gunsmith 1200
Totaling 4,775.00 - so a difference of 435 bucks
It's just an example since there are cheaper actions and stocks - so there is some money that can be saved
Pretty sure I can't because I need to take everything to a gunsmith . . .
Another option is buying a complete build 'ready' custom rifle
And also do take in account that some gunsmith have a waiting list up to 8 months of waiting before they start building your rifle
King, great comparison. Everything looks good except for the Savage Gunsmith Costs. 95% of the guys shooting savages did the work themselves. A shouldered barrel excluded.
As I mentioned there are possibilities to save money
But in both situations I am talking about a blank barrel that needs chambering, threading and crowning so that has to be fitted by a gunsmith
Now Savage has the advantage that you can buy pre-fit barrels
Again I don't own a lathe, all the tools or knowledge, glassbed a stock, etc to build a rifle so I need to go to a gunsmith
And when putting this kind of money on the table I rather have it done correctly !
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ok guys lets clear something up here....NO ONE SAID SAVAGE ACTIONS ARE CRAP!!! WE ARE JUST POINTING OUT THAT THEY HAVE LIMITATIONS!!
the limitations ARE NOT accuracy they are FEED/EJECTION issues THATS IT!! there is NO question they are accurate...
i shot a 591 17X with a savage action in a 1000yd F-class match off a bipod
i shot a 36 outta 40 last year in a long range varmint match with a savage action
i have shot 6" AR500 targets at 1005yds 6 outta 10 90% of the time
ive shot 18"x18" AR500 targets at 1200-1400 & 1600yds with about a 70-80% hit rate at 1600yds with a savage action
ive shot 1845yds with a savage action 2 hits outta 35 rounds fired on an 18"x18" AR500 target..i know nothing to brag about but try shooting that far with snow covered ground at white targets in a 5-10mph wind with a 300wm.
if running F-class,single feed or slow fire matches only id be running a savage but i am getting more into the PRS type matches and is the only reason i bought the surgeon 591...i was talking to LW last night and he said there was a guy had a extractor fail on his 591 in a match...its rare but it happens...and why i carry 2 extra extractors in my range bag.
NOTHING is perfect and everything has limitations.
Watching one of the PRS video's there was a shooter who had problems during one of the matches with his extractor.
Unfortunately nothing is fail proof
And no one said that Savage are bad rifles
I still shoot mine in F-Class and love it !
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