Ill be darn!!! It worked! Hahahah
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Ill be darn!!! It worked! Hahahah
https://i.ibb.co/BKPhwPP/IMG-1830.jpg
No going back now…lol
You have lots of new tricks LDSILLS.
Nice work. I might be doing the same kind of work to one of my other stocks once I get new rings for it.
May 25, 2024 UPDATE
5 weeks post back surgery. 77 degrees, low humidity today, so I grabbed a chair and the old adjustable work bench. Opened the garage to appreciate a the breeze flowing through and started to inlet the the AtlasWorx Cheek Riser. Didn't turn out too bad, yep I was a tad off course a couple of times with the palm router but hey nothing I can't clean up during the next step which is paint or maybe a wood finish have not decided. Nothing is fastened yet until paint is done. Which will be my next post!
Heres the pictures... from laying out the inlet, to showing you the router and so on and so forth.
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Oh yeah a first for me. I have been burnt from weld splatter and grinding metal. I have never been burnt from chips flying when routing before. Do not know what on out of this world laminate they use or epoxy but it cut hot. I even stepped the inlet depths to avoid a hot router bit as I have had issues with laminate before, but never to this extreme. Three times I had embers fly out, and trust me I was cutting slower then a garden slug crawling upwards on a steeple.
One got my shirt!
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Love this. Keep posting? Any more pictures?
Honestly, I'm chicken to try this.
Keep checking back...
A-Ill be prepping for stock finish next. That will include fixing the laminate crack near the pillar.
B-Finish work. Which will be either paint or wood finish
C-Then bedding the action.
D- then barrel work
1-finding absolute place where bullet touches the lands which will be my permanent baseline for this barrel
2-setting head space and torquing barrel nuts
Still have quite a bit of work.
So what did you use to cut the riser out of the stock? Band saw? coping saw? scroll saw? Use a jig to position it?
UPDATE May 27, 2024
Super nice weather temp 72 low humidity gusty wind. Lousy day for the range but a great day to sand and stain a stock! There are 10 million ways to take finish off wood. For gun stocks I prefer hand sanding. That way I have no issues with any contaminants entering the wood from lets say a chemical wood stripper.
It may sound extreme but I "start" taking the finish off with 80 grit. I use 60 grit to also on cut areas and on inlays. Its takes a while figure 2 hours of elco grease but I find it relaxing especially when you can do it out of doors on a great whether day.
I do have a trick. I never use a block of wood with paper on it. I know Harry Potterfield does in his videos but not me. Instead I use a rubber sanding block. It allows me to vary pressure which is important at times when sanding rounded area like the stock ankle and you want the sandpaper to remain taught for even work. The rubber also rounds sharp edges with very nice uniformity when required. Now mine is close to 90 years old and is a hand me down. In fact on each end it has three nails embedded into the rubber to hold the sandpaper. Below is a photo of what I mean by flexibility of the rubber all while keeping the paper taught.
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Heres what you get a nice dry very ruff surface. Ready for some 150 grit to take out the small scrape marks left by the 60 and 80.
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Then it was time to go to 150 grit and clean up the scratches from the 60 and 80 grit. Some advise if you do this without the sun get a bright light and take your time to see and remove the tiny scratches. Trust me good magnification glasses are definitely required as the will show later. Sanding with the 150 is faster only takes about ~1/2 hour sand, inspect sand. On flat parts use more pressure and use long movents with the block. Heres the results ready for primer if you painting or stain if you go traditional.
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I chose a traditional finish in what else...GUNSTOCK color! I applied the stain with a foam brush and really worked it in. After an hour of soak I used a clean shop rag to wipe off the residual oils and take away the sawdust that floats to the top from the cracks. Ill let it dry overnight. Next step applying black to the forearm end piece and also inside the meeting surfaces of the cheek riser. Afterwards Ill sand with 220 and start applying clear coat with sanding between coats. Heres the results of the stain.
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Update May 28th, 2024
Mimmmmmm been 24 hours and the stain is dry, but the color is far from Gunstock (AKA walnut brown) Its more orange. Well I am going through with the clear! If I really don't like it. I guess its plan B. Plan B is to paint it some sort of candy apple or metal flake similar to Rockets wife's gun, but not blue thats all.
Maybe a coat of a darker stain?
That looks like Gunstock stain to me.
Just not the Gunstock you expected.
Maybe 400 grit then a darker stain.
and
what's wrong with BLUE?
:)
If it is what shows up in the pic above then I like it. Maybe not the darker brown of some walnut, but, it is a pretty color.
I LIKE THE BLUE! However, I don't want to copy it unless here shooting success comes with it!
Okay heres the plan, and its was brought on by Mom Nature at my grape jelly bird feeder yesterday. I have 2 pairs of Baltimore Orioles religiously arriving each day and the males colors gave me a thought. Why night trim the stock in gloss black...that means re-coating the forearm end, spraying the stock to comb riser piece mating surfaces, and all inlets from the safety tang to the forearm.
Makes sense as the forearm end is the head and the trim is the wings! Gotta love Mom Nature to put colors together!
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You could add brown dye to the clear finish.
If you lightly sand the as-stained finish to expose the grain, then apply a darker stain, maybe in a fade from the ends.
Sort of like fade on a guitar top.
Adding color to the clear coat might hide the grain and look blah.
I put about 4 coats of this on the wife's Blue stock, let it cure, 4 more, took to range.
Wet sanded with 1000 grit, added 2 more coats, let that cure, 2000 wet sanded, then buffed.
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Racket :)
Lint free cloth, and it went on smooth.
I wet sanded after done with 2000grit paper and buffed the final coat.
For finishing use a dummy piece to test.
The wipe on poly works well. You can just get the regular stuff and cut it with thinner to do the same thing. The key is thin coats. If you want a gloss finish I was taught to use cotton tshirt material and quite a bit of pressure to wipe on successive coats.
I haven't done anything like that in decades. These days I just use the satin spray on stuff and finish sand it. I will wipe on the first coat using thinned varnish. Just to get it to soak in a bit more, like a sealer coat. After that I spray and sand maybe two more coats.
The alternative is an oil finish. That's another ball game but the results can be worth it.
Update 6-8-2024
Stock is not finished yet. I still need to design and install a bench forearm widening piece. I also need to bed it and reinforce the two laminate cracks around pillars.
Heres is two weeks of work. Mostly took awhile because the old back doesn't let me set in an up right position long. The other reason is I never work any paint or clear until 24 hours is up. Except I will build a clear coating using the 1 minute rule in between coats.
Sanding started with 80 grit to strip the old factory finish. Then 100, 150, 220 to get the stain settled. As I posted the stain looked orange after a 24 hour rest. I let it dry one more day and hit it again with 100 grit. Apparently what I found is the grain was raised from the stain and that was given me the orange color. Once I knocked the grain down with 100 then 150 and 220 things started to darken up . At least more of a shade I could live with. I still decided to trim it with gloss black rattle can.
More sanding and more sanding. The 220 went to 800 for the outside and I stopped with 220 for the inletting. The black factory plastic forearm cap was roughed with 220 then 800 and buffed with 1500. Then the wet towel came out with a an old cotton t shirt to get rid of sanding dust.
Time for masking. Heres a hint for those that have never masked a finer finish project. USE automobile masking tape its flexible and the will not bleed with thinner spray time paints whether from a spayer or rattle can. One inch will wide will work fine as you can always use a razor blade to cut strips. Once the edge masking is done I tape remaining spots with plane old blue tape for interior painting projects. As for razor blades I like the double sided ones for trimming auto tape. They are thinner, the cutting edge is very fine. Lastly they are flexible and you can bend them to get around corners. If your worried about getting cut, tape off one side.
I started spraying over the stained areas with rattle can Krylon UV resistant clear. One minute interval between very light coats. 7 total...as I said they were light. I like a 2-3 mil coat of clear and with my style it takes around 7. It was put away for a full day of curing. Next day I ruffed the finish with 220 as the can recommended and gave it a slightly heavier final coat. Then another 24 hours of cure before handling
Now it was time to remove the previous masking. Being careful when removing on edges. I reversed the masking and covered the stock proper, so I could spray Krylon Gloss Black on the inlet, comb riser mating surfaces. for the plastic it got a real light roughing with 220 just enough to see a few scratches. This would give the paint a hold but with the higher glossed surface from the 1500. I am a little more liberal with rattle can pain vs clear coat. I use horizontal side to side fast application swipes with the can. Fast to start with one minute rest in between to stop running. The a slower swipe application as the coat builds still horizontal. Then a 2 minute wait and I do a slow vertical spray about 15 inches away. The it is allowed to dry for one full day. Inspected for bubbles and runs. If I don't like what I see, the runs will get very light 220 until gone. For bubbles they get 800. Then a tac rag for very light mopping of dust. Two more light coats of paint is applied with one minute break.
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Looking NICE.
I agree. Nice.
6-8-24 cont....
Such nice weather I just had to do one more thing this evening. So I permanently mounted the AtlasWorx adjustable riser with some #8 x 1 1/4" stainless course thread wood screws. Pilot hole was a 1/8" straight bit because of the laminate. NOTE: I would of preferred fine thread #8 stainless screw 1" long but could not find any quality ones locally. For that size the pilot hole would of been 11/64 tapered bit.
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Looks fantastic!
Thank you all for the compliments it means allot! As I said I still have stuff to do to complete. Then Ill hit it with rubbing compound and apply wax to make it pop!
Congratulations, that is “EXCELLENT” work !
Looks very nice! Great work!
For a 3” forend for the bvss stock, here’s one made just for that stock:
https://i.ibb.co/hyQfz3w/IMG-5506.jpg
https://theurbanriflemanstore.com/sa...allel-to-bore/
Great! Let me know how you like it. I have their picatinny mount version that I use at the range on my AR and my Manners stocked Savage when I have the front rail on it.
Only issue I had with it is that it is 3d printed pc, and the bottom wasn’t as smooth as I would’ve liked to slide on my front bag, but a little fine sandpaper made it much better. Adding some stock tape or something to it would be the best answer I think though
UPDATE 6-11-2024
Its BEDDING DAY! I hate it as you are essentially doing it blind! UGH!
And then there’s the wait to see if you used enough release agent!…lol
Yep, I remember the one I made permanent. Ugly day :)
update afternoon June 11 2024
Well Ill walk you through the prep as spreading epoxy is tedious and boring! Hahah
Okay no point in epoxy anything unless you have bare wood to adhere and it should be rough. I mean the wood IM"Humble"O as rough as 60 grit sandpaper. Thats why I like a good sharp chisel especially when working thin laminate wood. The reason is it cuts and if you tilt it to the left or right you can leave some grooves so the epoxy limits its running.
But the like any good wood tool it has to be razor sharp. So start that way and continue to touch it up with a stone. You'll know when as you cannot shave with it, instead it wants to dig.Darn black paint sticks to everything when its shaved off!
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And the shaving and minor grooving begins. When I say groove mind you they about 0.11 mils about the size of a grain if hour glass sand.
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Heres the final ready for epoxy. Yes some areas were done by mistake. Oh well Ill paint later. If you notice the vertical area in the magazine bay that has bear wood. That area is and the other side towards the front pillar will get extra epoxy. That area is where the delimitation of the laminate was occurring. So it got a thickened epoxy with silicone added to make it stable so it would not run.
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Here I am applying modelers clay to the holes/slots in the action. For decades I have used a razor blade to trim it. It works very well and little clay remains to clean up. AKA: you waste little and the results will cause little deformation of the epoxy.
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As I said a very good fill are the result of trimming the clay with the razor blade.
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Don't know why I did not take a photo but I indeed followed Savage Shooters Freds good advise. Two raps of electrical tape on the barrel and also two wraps on the recoil lug. BTW I did cut the tape on the lugs' action alignment pin to make sure I had the same fit when the final gun is assembled.
Thats it...I used my finger and a brush apply the release agent. Then I thoroughly mixed the epoxy with Popsicle sticks and applied it with several other Popsicle sticks. Horizontal areas first and the vertical areas the had epoxy mixed with a silicone filler to thicken it and stop sags. I used the existing action screws to lightly snugged it down. For ease of clean up I let it set for 1/2 hour and then went back and again used a razor blade to remove excess. Epoxy is a funny critter...thus it will set for 2 days before removing the barrel and action.
Good luck :) Looks good.
I had mine out today at 1000yd and I put up a paper tgt. Usually I just set up a 6" gong and try to hit it. Misses are easy to see. I got a bit frustrated so shot at the paper. Can't see the holes at that distance so when I was done I went out and looked. 6 shots in 3.5" (my best ever group at that range). The gods must have smiled on me :) My windage was off by 5", which is probably why I kept missing the gong. Darn wind flags were blowing right so I added correction. I guess mid range it was blowing left. These were Berger 105 VLD Hunter bullets and N540.
Yes, do take the time. It is worth it in the end.
LOL, that's why we live in the desert. I'd rather have 105deg days than 90% humidity anytime. I grew up on Phx so 105 in the summer is on the cool side :) We've lived several places in the east and the kids live in SC and FL so we have experienced the moisture quite a bit. It just reminds us why we like where we are.
OTOH, you guys have green landscape! And rivers with water in them :)
Update 6-13-2024
I used for the fist time I used a Pro-Bed 2000 4 oz stock bedding kit. Cost was ~$33.00
To be honest I like it. Drying time was a full 24 hours. I new this as I left a small amount of unused epoxy the paper mixing bowl and with the included popsicle sticks. The epoxy mixed easy at about 1-1 but its not touch like some epoxy where mix has to be exact. Alone the viscosity was good and it flowed like a thick vanilla malt on horizontal spaces. For vertical areas I added the included silicone thickener to stop runs.
The release agent did its job superbly, couple of easy bumps on barrel near the stocks forend and it popped right off.
Heres the photos...Ill post a final photo after I paint the inlet area of the stock with gloss black.
Right after pop off,,,typical flash and a few runs to clean up.
https://i.ibb.co/rH68MDw/36-BFB367-5...7-D21-F9-D.jpg
This is a closeup the reinforced area of the front pillar where there was laminate separation.
https://i.ibb.co/N72Qcbc/2-E8-C602-A...F9-1-201-a.jpg This photo was taken when it was about 75% complete. https://i.ibb.co/KjrRqZd/07-A53836-9...FB-1-201-a.jpg
I am satisfied with the finished product. But darn the sheen is just to great, No matter where I tried a picture the details were hidden in shine.
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Update 6-17-2024
1) Final sand of the stock and one last coat of clear applied. Great day for curing paint believe it or not its only 30% humidity and 85 degrees.
2) I did a tad bit of cleaning of of the release agent on the action and carefully put the trigger/sear assembly onto the action. I put a tad bit of grease where from removal of the release agent. I also put SharpShooters single shot follower back in.
3) Tomorrow around noon Ill put it back together for a reveal and a :baby:baby picture.:baby:-Complete
a) Double check the bedding job with the trigger and follower installed = Complete had to do some mods for the trigger using the poor mans Mil.
b) Get out the Blue Locktite and mount the new 20MOA Pica-tinny Rail.
4) Then the barrel comes off and I do the search for OAL the Speedy Gonzales way! Which really is easier than chasing lands the old way with a OAL Gauge! Hahah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFiIuzvgHYc
Last thing for the stock was go to the store got some Mequiare's Ultimate Compound cutting agent and then hand buffed it after a 5 minute driy with Mequiare's Ceranic Wax. I guess I feel when you use automotive clear for a finish it needs automotive products to make it super smooth, protect and shine. Now if I get a scrape I should be able to repair with the cutting agent.
Okay all was assembled and it posed for some pictures.
Heres the camelion stock alone, notice the deep dark color.
https://i.ibb.co/GCySTw1/IMG-1931.jpg
Heres the temp assembled 6mm-BR bench gun from a Savage 12BVSS Base
https://i.ibb.co/86xPxSr/IMG-1932.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/L8zsdd3/IMG-1933.jpg
Note: the marks below and to the rear of the pistol grip is a reflection of the level! :o
That is not the final scope, just threw on my Varmint scope for aesthetics and break in. I plan on purchasing a Sightron SV 10-50X60 ED
Very nice. See you got the bag rider in. How’s the fit and feel?
Like you said it is atleast a good temporary unit and also a base to go off of for making a wooden one.
Fit is very good! Heres the positive issue I have with the forearm foot. It is very light, thus, its hard to justify making one out of hardwood.
Shame its so ugly and I hate ugly. IMHO every rifle whether its a working gun, bench or F-Class shall be beautiful. Just like our shooter forefather sport shooter appreciated. Guess that is why I hate aluminum stocks so much. But like the plastic forearm foot I understand the reasons for aluminum.
This will be the end of Savage 12 BVSS 22-250 to 6mm BR build next post will be SAVAGE 12BVSS 6mm BR Settings and Fine Tuning.
While I am here I would like to express a huge thank-you to Criterion Barrels and Fred and Lisa from SharpShooter Supply for their superb craftsmanship and years of knowledge. A huge thanks to everyone on this site for their knowledge and input. The Sponsors on this site have also served me very well.
I am not done as now its time to find the lands, then set the head space and start getting loads ready for barrel break in and fire forming. Case Annealing and a bunch of other fun stuff. Then its time to get a custom full length re-sizer for my bench arbor from L.E. Wilson for serious bench load workup.
LDSILLS, sorry I fell behind in following but I have to admit. I think I am in Love with this rifle!