He most certainly does, took my order for the Mod 12 LRP last Sat, and it was delivered on Tues!!!! ;D
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He most certainly does, took my order for the Mod 12 LRP last Sat, and it was delivered on Tues!!!! ;D
I bought a Criterion, 28", Bull, 1:10, chambered in .308 from Jim Briggs about 2-3 months ago. It shot pretty good right from the get go, but now it's a dinger. A lot of things have come in to play so it's very hard to say which have had the greatest impact. More than anything, I think it's 1) the quality of hand loads, 2) the barrel and 3) moving from Sierra to Berger bullets.
In the beginning I was shooting 190gr Sierra SMKs. I was shooting this heavier bullet because I don't consider myself much of a wind reader. The rifle with the Criterion barrel was about 1 MOA shooting the Sierras. I decided to try some different bullets. After re-reading an article on AccurateShooter by John Whidden, I decided to try 155gr Bergers (not VLD, just FMJ BHTP). The following targets were shot at MCB, Quantico, VA on a rare windless day at 100yds.
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What is on the target is incorrectly stated as 43gr Varget. Actually it was 44gr. 10 rounds. I shot these after firing 5 rounds to foul the clean barrel a bit.
It was a warm day and when I shifted to 185gr Lapua Scenars and fired 10 rounds in fairly rapid succession, I could feel the barrel heating up
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It's pretty easy to see the spread. I then waited 10 minutes and used my Sinclair count down timer to fire 10 more 185gran Lapua Scenars spaced at about 1 minute intervals
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This tightened things back up a bit. I finished off by firing 10 more rounds of the 155gr Bergers also at 1 minute intervals. These last 10 looked about the same as the 185gr Lapua Scenars fired at interval.
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I compete in F/TR, and generally have 1 minute per round, so with this Criterion barrel, I will take the full time to shoot. Had I not fired the first 25 rounds so fast, I might never have got to the point were I had that big spread.
But this Criterion barrel, I believe is pretty darned good... especially for the price I paid. I think Jim had a special on then. I see on his Vendor section they're $270 right now.
I'm going to give some credit also to my Denver Instruments MXX-123 powder scale. +/- .02 grains. And some credit to my case preparation.
Here's the rifle that did it. About the only left original is the action and AccuTriger.
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That's awesome Doug!
Jim sold me a bull barrelled 6.5x47 lapua a couple months ago. built it while I was on midtour leave from Afghanistan. with lapua brass out of the box and sierra 120's was getting 1/2 - 3/4 inch groups. I was throwing charges with a powder measure since I didn't have time for all the prep work. this barrel is outstanding. gonna be a 1/4" group gun once I can give it the attention it needs. does seem to like the 120's jammed in the lands. gonna buy a couple more barrels, just have to find a phone over here since he doesn't do e-mail much. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
do they make a .223 bull ss prefit with a 1-8 twist in a 28-30" barrel ? i like shooting 69-75 but would also like to be able to go 77-80 .
LAL357,
The short answer is yes. I do not normally carry that barrel in inventory but I can easily include one in the order that I am putting together at this time. Give me a call and I will include it in my current inventory order.
Jim Briggs
NSS
Just ordered twin barrels from Jim. 6.5x47's @ 23" and threaded 5/8-24 for a suppressor. Can't wait, and Jim was a gentlemen of the highest order when speaking with him.
Kevin
Hi Jim, how about 260 rem large shank in bull 1:8?
Christmas today! Atleast it felt like it. It was cold and snowing this morning.
Arrived: 1 SS bull 260 rem 1:8 @ 28"
1 SS recoil lug
1 action wrench
This was shipped yesterday and arrived today. Now I have to track down a stock and find some time for range work.
Thanks Jim. Will probably be ordering a 1:8 223 by fall.
Will report in after load work up.
gopherslayer, is that small shank or large?Quote:
Originally Posted by gopherslayer
I ordered/paid for a 26" 260rem varmint, today.. Cant wait. Thanks Jim
Jinx, that would be a small shank. Jim had 1 in stock 2 weeks ago when I called. Just buzz him, he told me he doesn't keep up on here as much as he would like to.
hmm I send him PM and e-mail 3 days ago, still no reply....
Jinx,
My e-mail has been down for two days now. Something to do with a system conversion at Qwest. I need to do some reprogramming according to the last message I got from Qwest. I hope to have the time to do that yet this week.
Jim Briggs
NSS
I had a chance to get my new Criterion 6mmBR out to the range for the first time today. I do follow a break-in process so the 10 that I shot had a clean barrel. It took five to get dialed-in where I wanted her at 100 yards and the next 5 are in the following pic. If this is any indication of how it will shoot out to 300 or 400 I will be very happy.
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I have a 28 inch, small shank, 8 twist in 260AI Criterion coming in next week from Jim. I had every ready to go for 6.5x55 but certain inconveniences caused me to cancel my barrel order and go with the Criterion. I will get a range report as soon as I put the barrel on!!!
Jim,
Any idea if they'll offer 6XC as an option?
BoilerUP,
I spoke with the powers to be at Criterion today. They are willing to add the 6XC chambering to the list of their offered calibers. They will be ordering a reamer and making this caliber available as soon as possible.
Jim Briggs
NSS
Can they make 6.5x08 with throat for 140 gr bullet, say Berger or Lapua Scenar, or is this something special I have to order on my own?
Thanks so much Jim, that rocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northlander
Now the decision is 6BR, 6XC, or maybe that 9-twist 22-250 I emailed you about earlier in the week...decisions decisions...
If the 9 twist shoots like my Pac-nor 9 twist U will jump up and down several times . What a barrel
Guys, I ordered a 6.5x55 barrel through Jim last week. They do have a reamer. From what was explained to me, the reamer they have is for a very short throat. They have a new reamer on order for a longer throat. I expect it will be several weeks before I get my barrel, but I know the wait will be worth it. I ordered a 26" varmint contour with a threaded muzzle for a brake and/or silencer. After a quick break-in, I'm going to send it off to be nitrided. Helping to keep the Swede alive through the next century!
Regards,
-Dan
Just got the call from NSS, my Criterion barrel in .308 has shipped. I ordered a 28" bull barrel and can't wait to get it.
May the fleas of thousand camels infest your armpits.
We've been waiting for a 20 Practical barrel, Jim has been fantastic and we aren't technically over schedule, I'm just really excited to put this rifle together.
How do I order one I tried a PM to Northlander, 2 e-mails and multiple phone calls that resulted in busy signals. What am I doing wrong? I want a barrel!!!!
Phone calls the only way to go. just keep trying
Got mine in the mail today! If my headspace gauges come in tomorrow I will have it mounted up! The thing looks great!
My barrel should hit the ground tommorow, action is just sitting there all lonely an all. Should have it together tommorow night.
Lookin forward to getting my 284 Win barrel in varmint contour soon...going on 12+weeks now. Won't start getting antsy until the bottom metal from SSS shows up, last two pieces of the puzzle, already have the Choate Tactical stock, Stevens 200 action, SAV-1 trigger, RCBS Dies, bullets, Burris XTR rings, EGW 20 MOA base and Mueller 8-32 APT scope. Looking forward to trying it out and maybe get out to PASA and try their 600 yard range.
I at 14 weeks and 1 day for my 243 barrel...
If it shoots like mine, you'll be a very happy man. What twist rate? What weight bullet do you plan to use? I've fallen in love with the 155gr berger. John Whidden shoots it from 1,000 yds with success. I've not shot it from that distance yet (I will on the 27th). He's using 45gr Varget but has a 32" barrel. I'm going to try 45.5gr with my 28" barrel for the 1,000 yd match on the 27-29 May Remembering The Brave matches at Marine Corps Base, Quantico VA. You're all welcome to come shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 243wssm
Barrel came in today and installed it just like it said in the technical articles section of this website and it went together perfect. Hav'nt had a chance to shoot any groups but fired one round to see if it was going to blow up on me or not. This is my first build and am already trying to decide whats next.
Are these barrels still available? I was reading Jim's post but didn't realize it was some time ago. I am looking for a 6.5x55 but a x47 or -284 might work as well.
I just got in two cases of Criterion Barrels, most of these are for customer orders. We will be packing them up as soon as they get wiped down and degreased. I have another batch coming in early next week that should catch me up with several shooters backorders.
Brenda will be giving you guys "The Call" as soon as your barrels ship. I just placed a 125 barrel order with Criterion for my stock. It's all you guys fault too. If you hadn't bought up all my inventory these additional barrels would not be necessary (nice problem to have).
Jim Briggs
NSS
Jim, I can't send a PM so if it is possible to place an order for a barrel, or put me on a waiting list, please let me know how. I am not in a rush so a wait time isn't a problem. If 6.5x55 isn't an option, I can settle for a .260 or 6.5x47.
Ok, got it from the other section, e-mail sent.
Great news Jim! Can't wait to get the call, thanks for the updates in the meantime.
6.5 x 47 lapua criterion barrel is a blast. Mine was shooting great till I came back to afghanistan. Planning my next barrel as soon as jim gets caught back up on his PM's. lloking at a 223 wylde and maybe a 6 br.
Just wanted to give an update on my CBI barrel in .308. The barrel is a 28" long bull barrel. This is my first build and it only took me about 1hr to swap the barrel out and drimmel the barrel channel out some on a Dura Maxx stock. This rifle is showing signs of excellent accuracy. The first 4 5-shot groups I shot were .250,.267,.586,.526, Using 44.5gr of Varget behind a 168gr Hornady A-Max. Needless to say I'm am addicted to building Savage rifles. Here is a pic of my rifle before I mounted the scope'
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I got out to the range today. Very first 3 shot group was exactly .250 CTC. Then the next group I fired a called flier. Restarted and proceeded to shoot about a .150 inch group. With the flier it was still .4inches. Then the wind picked up along with the rain so I shot 3 more groups not worth mentioning. But first two showed me what this barrel is capable of. Best part was this was during fire forming for my 260AI using old pulled bullets, unprocessed win brass. Can't wait to get Lapua brass.
Took it out to 630 yards today. I cleaned it good, put it on a solid rest. This thing was boring with the ease of hitting a 10 inch steel disc. Conditions were sunny, low mirage, 20mph swirling winds. I was still fireforming the 260 brass. But this thing just shot awesome. Shot 3 shot group at about 2.5 inches when conditions held constant. I am coming back for more of these barrels. It cleaned up super easy too.
Jim,
Any way we could get an update on current stock/ future plans for "on hand" offerings?
X2Quote:
Originally Posted by mattri
And when you expect the price to go up, so all of us saving our pennies for another barrel (or three) can get while the gettin's good?Quote:
Originally Posted by mattri
Just a quick update! I ordered a Criterion barrel from Jim on 03/25 and mailed a money order that day. I did not get the "CALL", but the barrel showed up on my doorstep today 05/31. Now that is really fast compared to the wait we have for all the other brands. This was a barrel that had to be ordered because it was not a caliber and configuration that he would keep in stock. When I unwraped the barrel, I was very satisfied. This barrel looks as good as other barrels that sell for three times the price---the finish and workmanship is outstanding. Thank you, Jim! Bob
I will be answering more than one question here:
Marttri and Danley - I just recently placed a sizable order for my stocking Criterion Barrel supplies (125 Barrels). This order plus my current inventory will allow me to have on the shelf some of almost every caliber. Some of the less popular calibers and barrel lengths are in limited supply. My caliber list for instock inventory includes - 20 Practical, 204 Ruger, 223 Rem, 223 AI, 22-250, 6 BR Norma, 6 XC, 6mm Dasher,
6.5X47 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5X284 Norma, 260 Rem, 260 AI, 7mm-o8 and 308 Win. Now factor in 26", 28", and 30" Barrel lengths and finally consider Varmint and Bull Barrel contours. It was very easy to get to the above referenced quantity.
BoilerUp - A price increase is planned for the August/September time frame. I do not have any solid information beyond that.
Jim Briggs
NSS
Thanks Jim!
+2Quote:
Originally Posted by mattri
I'll start saving my pennies for that barrel; looks like I've got a couple months...
I used my Criterion barrel in serious competition for the first time last Friday. Our club, The Quantico Shooting Club, sponsored the Eastern Armed Forces Memorial Match (Remembering the Brave) at Quantico, VA.
I only shot the long range (1,000 yds) competition on Friday. Individually, I shot a 185-5X. In the team competition, I would have shot a 192-3X with no shot outside the 9 ring… had the score keeper properly kept score. Technically, a team member from another team should have kept score for our team, but instead, one of our team members ended up with the score card, didn’t realize it, and failed to write down a single shot. Had a member of another team messed up, I could have reshot the string. So, I ended up with a score of 0.
I’m not a terribly good wind reader and the wind at Quantico is very tricky… which accounts for the 185-5X individual score. In the team competition, you have team members reading the wind and helping you with the windage hold off… which accounts for what would have been 192-3X.
My point here is that the Criterion barrel performed well. My score would have been higher than all the other team members (two of them shooting custom guns) and we would have won the team competition. Think about it. In tricky wind conditions, not a single shot outside 20" from 1,000yds. You may be saying, yes, but that's 2 MOA, my rifle shoots 1/4 MOA. Sure it does... from 100yds. So does mine. There's a lot of "environment" between 100 and 1,000 yds.
Again, I believe the Criterion barrel is perfectly suitable for long range competition.
Cheers,
Douglas M. Hurst
Maj USMC(Ret)
Springfield, VA
Maybe I missed it but is there going to be a 6mm Remington?
Mattri,
At this time Criterion offers the following 6mm Barrels:
6 BR Norma, 6X47 Lapua, 6XC, 6mm Dasher, 243 Win and 243 AI. No 6mm Remington chamberings are being offered at this time.
Jim Briggs
NSS