Do you guys think, now that Lapua will be making the 6.5 Creed, that the 260 will be going away? What I mean is, will higher end cartridge manufacturers like Lapua, Nosler, and Norma, continue manufacturing the cartridge? What do you guys think?
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Do you guys think, now that Lapua will be making the 6.5 Creed, that the 260 will be going away? What I mean is, will higher end cartridge manufacturers like Lapua, Nosler, and Norma, continue manufacturing the cartridge? What do you guys think?
I'd rather a 260 over creed just bc I have the gauges and brass is easy to get.
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Lapua brass only means "something" to folks who overload the snot out of things, and brass snobs.
Will that kill it? No.
The above mentioned reasons are the most honest you'll find, ballistically they are the same cartridge.
Trim your 308 class brass, then FL size to Creed. In no way, shape, or form is that difficult.
It seems to be taking a lot of manufacturers attention away from producing .257 bullets as well.
It won't be dying at my house... I'm quite fond of the 260 Remington...
The 260 is fading away. Try to buy a new rifle in it, not too many. The creedmoor craze is good for business.
It's not to say I can't make 260 brass. 243, 7mm-08, and 308 can all make 260 brass. I was wondering do you think this will go the way as 7mm WSM and other cartridges like it? It's not to say that the 6.5mm, outside of competition circles, is very popular in the US.
I think alot of the 260's demise is the great BC race. everyone is trying to make the highest bc bullet possible which ultimately means longer bullets. the creedmoor is short action friendly with the long bullets where as the .260 will either be forced to be seated deeper (thus losing its capacity gains) or be pushed into a long action like the .284 Winchester.
The 260 is also being flanked on the other side by the new short action leader the 6.5 saum 4s
My 260 was not at the top of the popularity list when I built it. But it was exactly what I wanted. So even if it becomes less popular, it is still what I want, and I have enough brass to see me through. Just wish Remington would start producing the 140grn PSP's again :-(. I'm not going to switch.
BHJ Am I hearing 25 Creedmoor in your voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by big honkin jeep
Meh
im still loving the 260.
I don't believe its going away any time soon. IMO, sales may drop a tad because of the Creed craze that of which I never bought into but the 260 rem will never go away.
Just imagine if the 260 Rem was re-named and marketed under a new catcher name and logo. The New 6.5-ZK (Zombie Killer) Cartridge............jk
Ill give the 6.5 Creed 1 thing though. the name sure does sound fancy.
Nope, but I think the creed has stolen a lot of the .257 cartridges thunder from the public eye and manufacturers are making what sells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinhood
I'm wanting to try some of Hornadys 110gr interbond offerings but they have "temporarily suspended production" to concentrate on more popular bullet diameters.
I love my .260. Accurate as heck and dropped 2 bucks with it the last 3 years, both dropped in their tracks.
LOL I reread my own post. It sounds cliche and stupid... might be, but its a light, fast, flat shooter with great knock down power.
I must have slept thru all that thunder. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by big honkin jeep
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Originally Posted by Steelhead
X2 ^^^
260 has been in my cabinet for approximately 19 years. very accurate, easy to load for, very effective on deer size game. great long range cartridge. creedmoor is being pushed hard right now by some gun writers and also by hornady. have seen ballistic data putting it ahead of of 260, but that data for creedmoor has a lot of smoke in it. 260 has more case capacity Than creedmore. the law of physics will never go away. 260 is faster because it burns more powder. people have a way of figuring this out in long run. the consumer will decide this. not data from hornady
Funny that I just saw this post as I was in 5 different stores today here in El Paso and only one store, Gouger Mountain, had any 260 Remington on the shelf and only 4 boxes at that. Had me wondering if the 260 was dead/dying.
For those that reload the 260, how much more velocity can be gained from the cartridge by loading the 140/104+gr bullets forward in the case instead of seating back into the case because of the need to load it into a short action? Basically, it is my understanding that if a long action was used for the 260 so that the cartridge could be loaded longer there should be an increase in performance with the longer bullets over the existing short action, so anyone know how much more velocity and energy can be obtained?
"How much more CAN be attained?" None if you want to stick to SAAMI pressure standards.
This is a "my daddy can beat-up your daddy" discussion. If you stay within SAAMI pressure, they are the same cartridge. Within typical nominal lot variations between powders there is a slight, and re-said SLIGHT velocity advantage to the 260. If 50fps is THAT important to you, you are a poor marksman.
If the 260 leaves your panties wet, great for you. If the Creed is what shivers your timbers, focus on that choice.
Making a justification isn't needed, and is always foolish.
If you are talking over-pressure, better hook-up the issue trace to compare apples to apples.
Sort of interesting how different calibers wax and wane over the years. The 260 was "hot stuff" for a time. Bench rest folks liked it but Remington let the 260 kind of languish (wonder why?) and next in line was the 6.5 Creedmoor. "The 260 Done Right" became the new battle cry.
6.5x55 SE anyone?
^^^^Yes, it is. I think the mfr's like to have something new to promote so as to generate new sales.
what do you mean about Rem letting 260 languish???
and
"(wonder why?)".
Not disagreeing, I simply don't know anything about it. Care to elaborate? Or are you saying it's just "good business"?
That's the norm for the last decadeQuote:
Originally Posted by Grim
In the last few years that has changed
i only reload for it but I always look at factory offerings and it's gotten a LOT better.
Remington.
Nosler.
Barnes.
Federal.
Prime.
Black hils.
And soon even the 6.5 creedmore company itself, Hornandy will have factory loads.
Personaly, the biggest detriment to it is the loss of the excellent Winchester/Olin 243 brass for forming 260 brass.
New stuff is mediocre at best.
Old stuf was cheap, durable and consistent.
Luckily i have enough of the old stuff to wear out 2 more barrels.
Remington has always failed at promoting their cartridges,just look at the history of what they have developed over the years. I love the 6.5 Creedmoor,and have shot one since it was a new cartridge,but the 260 has its merits also. I have a DPMS LR serries in 260 Remington,and it's a hog killing machine,but with any rifle chambered in 260,you have magazine length limits that don't come into play with the 6.5 Creedmoor for those that hand load their ammo.
I'm building a 260AI bolt action right now,just because I got a great deal on the barrel. I will be fire forming Lapua brass for this rifle,but regular 260 brass is easily formed from any 308 family brass. I use 243 brass for all of my LR-260's needs,just run it through the 260 sizing die and load it!
There are several newer players in the 6.5 game. The 6.5 SAUM,and the 6.5 SLR are cartridges that the speed freaks are shooting now.
Both remington and winchester have let great cartridges languish. Some examples would be the 284 winchester, 280 remington, and 7mm WSM. All of those cartridges now, for the most part, exist as wildcat cartridges. The WSM is tough to find brass in; although the 7mm RSAUM can still be found. I've never seen any rifles chambered in either the 284 or the 280, both excellent cartridges, now exist as reloader's cartridges. I'm wondering if cartridge companies come out with new cartridges for a few years, then get bored with them because the vast majority of people continue to buy 308, 30-06, 270, 243, 223, 22-250, 7mm-08 7mm rem mag, and 300 win mag. Seems those of the cartridges that stay in popularity.
I've been looking into a 6.5x55 barrel. Looks promising. Brass is available everywhere or so it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by wbm
Brass and factory ammunition are very available.
I'd have to poke around in quickload to get real #'s but I can say this. to benefit from your plans you would possibly have to throat the barrel for the longer cartridge length, but some of the new vld's take alot to reach the lands so that may not be 100% accurate. you will gain some useable case capacity but not much. I plan to do a similar change with my .308 in the near future. I'm single feeding 208 hornady's right now as there 3"+ and I can get 2525 fps with them and its a huge improvement over the 168 amax's I shoot at mag length 2623ft/sec. right now i'm only using them beyond 600 and sometimes 800yds as they help in the wind, but they do knock the snot out of you compared to the 168's. lol:beaten:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim
It's a shame 7mmWSM and SAUM are fading.Quote:
Originally Posted by psharon97
Lots of potential in them.
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Originally Posted by darkker
That even applies to choosing between the Grendel, Creedmoor, 260, 25-06, and so on.
All will reliably harvest game and varmints within 300 yards, all will go a bit further with the right bullet, many will go 100 or so yards further out at the expense of more recoil and reduced barrel life.
In the end, however, how many of us actually used to check list to select our mate for life? Some like small blondes, others like large redheads, and still more have a thing for brunettes of any flavor. So, if the 260 catches your imagination, go for it. Others have the same fascination for the other cartridges.
My take is that there is not enough difference in the hunting arena to support a choice, particularly between the 260 and the Creedmoor. The Creedmoor will continue to have an edge in the long range venue because Dave Emery had the wisdom to move the shoulder-neck junction back enough to allow the cartridge to hold long ogive bullets while having similar powder capacity. For almost all of us, the choice becomes one of what captures the imagination.
If no new cartridges were developed after 1906, we would still have all we need. But how much fun would that be?
^^^LOL I like that.
I love the 260. Had my choice when I built this rifle between it, and Creedmore. Chose 260 for the bump in case capacity, while still working in a short action, over Creedmore, and the ability to tap into a seemingly endless supply of cheep brass. I use once fired, LC 7.62 brass. And they come out beautifully. But I still have my choice of Lapua, Nosler or Norma 260 brass for the absolute MOST accurate. 260 going away? Certainly not in this lifetime of reloaders.