Has anyone here actually tried one?
I would appreciate any first hand impressions.
By the way, Rex tortured his on a 50 cal and it held up well...
Thanks.
https://youtu.be/3AuvE31W8t0
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Has anyone here actually tried one?
I would appreciate any first hand impressions.
By the way, Rex tortured his on a 50 cal and it held up well...
Thanks.
https://youtu.be/3AuvE31W8t0
Sounds too good to be true. Coming from someone that spends a lot of money for good, high quality scopes.
I just don't see how anyone could build / sell a scope for $500 and think it would compete with scopes costing 2-3 times as much. It would be a hell of a deal if they were as good as they are saying they are.
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Yeah... I agree; When it sounds too good to be true, its best to be very skeptic.
Thats precisely why I wanted to hear from someone here who actually had one.
Tex, I need a scope for my new baby. Can you recommend a decent one? Might YOU have one to sell since you are a "collector of fine optical glass"?
Let me know. But I still want to hear more about these ARKEN scopes...
I know the creators are from the US... but I think their scopes are actually made in China - although I think ONE model has Japanese glass at least!
Call me and we can discuss what you're wanting. The distances in which you will be shooting, whether you want a First or Second focal plane, Mil or MOA reticle / turrets, magnification range wanted, scope features, and finally, How much you are willing to spend.
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FFP
MIL reticle and matching target turrets (the only way to fly).
I don't see myself shooting zombies any further than 1100 yards or 1000 meters.
I am conservative in my magnification since only the best optics can really deliver it well. So the magnification will depend on the optical quality of the scope chosen. 25x on a Schmidt Bender will look a lot nicer than through a Tasco!!! That's why in the past I have often stayed with 10x fixed SWFAs, since that magnification was DELIVERABLE acceptably well by the lower cost optics.
Check this video out... pretty cool:
https://youtu.be/Ss_txbH3yls
IMO, the price of a scope does NOT guarantee anything,nor a brand name (I AM surprised to see so much bad blood with Vortex scopes ).
I'd like to see a video of someone take a dozen scopes, with NO brand name nor price and then run them all through the mill (not like those tests) and see how they stack up and then reveal. I mean, the two vids of "torture tests", is that really what we look for in a scope? Is that what the over the top price tag (BTW, that reminds me of when I was a teen and the stereo system we'd put in the car cost more than the car itself) is for? BTW, is all that "ripping" the turrets back and forth and banging the gun on the table, etc. and then going to zero, really a good representation of a good scope? I think not. I know I'll never be in a situation where my scope needs to endure all that (my combat days are long over), so what do we look for in a "good" scope (does anyone really buy a BAD scope on purpose?)?
IMO, besides, MOA vs MIl and 1st focal point vs 2nd, illuminated retical, etc., that's all personal preference, but if the lens are coated= good; if the scope is waterproof and fog-proof=good; If the turrets are 1/8" MOA, when you SLOWLY click the turrets, does the retical instantly move?=good; if it tracks- 8 clicks =1"MOA , so 8 clicks should move the retical 1" (I actually made a 1" grid target and set it out for this test- at 100 yds {8 clicks} and 50 yds {16 clicks} and then 25yds {20 clicks}) and then the appropriate clicks back, should bring it back 1", with no hesitation or error=good; If the scope has an adjustable Objective lens and it focuses at the distances that're stamped on it=good. If the parallax is 25yds to infinity=good; IF it returns and maintains zero=good. Lastly, if the scope doesn't cost more than the rifle and ammo=VERY good. Genecakley, you mention that "25x on a Schmidt Bender will look alot nicer than through a Tasco", well I'd like to see what "nicer" looks like, cause i DO have a Tasco (10-40X50) and my Tasco does ALL that I posted here. Anyway, YMMV.
[QUOTE=geneackley;487361]FFP
I am conservative in my magnification since only the best optics can really deliver it well. So the magnification will depend on the optical quality of the scope chosen. 25x on a Schmidt Bender will look a lot nicer than through a Tasco!!!
That could no doubt be counted on, lol
Google say's !!.....Arken scopes are made in China.
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Originally Posted by Fuj'
Indeed. The horror!!!!!
I was seriously contemplating buying one because of all the outstanding reviews by so many people that I tend to trust.... but... being made by our ENEMIES does not agree with me.
I think the Japanese BUSHNELL in my price range (that I wound up purchasing) is a solid choice. It also has really great reviews and being on sale didnt hurt either!!!
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First of all THANK YOU for your service. My grandfather was a Marine in the 98 war with Spain in Cuba, my father was a Marine, my daughter is a Marine and she married a Marine (a damned Yankee from Massachussets - you can't win them all - ha ha!!). But anyway...
I agree with your idea of taking a dozen scopes without name tags and trying them out side by side on an equal footing... but unlike you, I do think the torture tests where you bang them around and put them in the sun for an hour and then pour ice water on them are not useless. Quite to the contrary, they inspire a lot of confidence in me.
We may not be in combat again anytime soon, but I still don't want to have my scope fail if it gets banged around in the back of a jeep on the way to a hunting spot. Being a mechanic by trade, perhaps I am biased by well built mechanical devices! Botton line, I just see no need for a "fragile scope"!
As for glass, it is TRUE that TASCO can make good lenses. As an amateur astronomer, I have had many telescopes in my youth, and some were in fact Tascos. But the truth is that these companies make scopes to the specifications that are ORDERED from them!!! So Tasco can make FINE or crappy optics AS REQUIRED of them.
But ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, it is quite REASONABLE TO ASSUME that a HIGH END German scope maker like Schmidt Bender is going to have better glass than a "Walmart Class" Tasco made in China! Just facts!!!
Could I be wrong? Surely... But I don't think so, given that otherwise so many people and GOVERNMENTS wouldn't be paying the high dollar prices for the Schmidt Benders if Tascos were just as good a buy... would they?
Mind you, I dont own a Schmidt Bender: The resident scope glass sCHnob here is Txhillbilly!!. Most of my scopes are SWFA's whose glass is ACTUALLY MADE BY TASCO and they are quite acceptable for sure... but let's not kid ourselves: They are no Schmidt Benders!!!
Here you go. This guy does a rigorous test on every scope he gets his hands on. Some very inexpensive scopes get high praise.Quote:
Originally Posted by cchgn
https://www.youtube.com/c/AirgunClassicsJoeWRhea/videos
Then This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPP-DYhEk_c
What is your opinion of the Bushnell Nitro series? I have two of them and so far they are good but maybe I got lucky. There are some with the Vortex that defend them but after 2 failures it was enough. I really don't have enough experience to know what is good and what to avoid. They are very attractively priced now but I believe they are being discontinued. There must be a huge profit in scopes when they can discount them so much from list price.Quote:
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Snerdly, this will be my first "high end Bushnell" ever. I have been stuck for a few years on very solid but very basic SWFAs.
But "on paper" that Bushnell sure looks great... PLUS a good friend here, our RESIDENT "HIGH END GLASS" SCOPE SCHNOB aka Texhillbilly, highly recommends it... and it just so happens to be on sale at Midway right now.... so it seemed like "all the stars were lining up" so I went ahead and bought it.
I had seriously considered the Arken... but a 4 to 5 month wait and the fact it was made in China kept me from buying one... although on paper it also looked very good and ALSO came well recommended by several Youtube reviewers I tend to trust like Cyclops, Rex and a couple of others...
But I am sure I made the better choice!!!
UPS tracking says my scope is in Dallas tonight so I am hoping to find it by my front door before tomorrow evening. I live an hour west of Fort Worth.
In any case I will let you guys know if its any good or not ( in my opinion). Hillbilly thinks its a little dated, but still a fine scope... especially at the sale price. For me it will be such a step up, that I am sure it won't seem dated at all!!!
But of course to our dear Resident Scope Glass Schnob, it certainly will be!!! Ha ha ha !!!
By the way I spell the word "snob" as "SCHNOB" because you are supposed to give the word a german accent!!!! ha ha ha ha !!!!! SCHHHHHNOB!!!! ha ha ha !!! Fine German glass does that to you!!!! ha ha ha ha !!!!
Good night fellas!!
Thanks again Tex!! I owe you big time!!!
BY THE WAY SNERDLY, are you per chance a fellow Dittohead????
Take care.
Gene
I put a couple of the Nitro's on 22lr's of mine. They seem to be a decent scope, and have clear glass with a nice reticle. They hold zero really good, but I doubt they would last long if you used them for dialing for distance type shooting.Quote:
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For a set it and forget it type scope, I think they will work just fine. I shot a couple tree rats with one of them yesterday!
https://i.imgur.com/jv2mUnD.jpg
Thanks for the comments on the Nitro scopes. A price of half of list, plus a 20% rebate from Bushnell, makes a very attractive price. I got one but like I said, I am new enough to the game I don't know if my previous experience with the Nitro was just me getting lucky or if they really were decent. I sure as hell got fooled on the Vortex Viper. So far, I have been very happy with the Nitro I have. I also won't be dialing a lot for a distance change.
I love my Bushnell's. I did wish the XRS line would have had a power
upgrade up into the 50's. But when the series 2 came out, they stayed
at 30 power. A good ol' NF 15-55x52 Comp filled that gap nicely.
I needed some LOWER 34 mm rings for my new rifle and I ordered some from ARKEN that seemed very nice for just 59 bucks plus shipping and Tax. I saw nothing comparable on Midway. Let's hope they ship quickly, but it will be a good way to get an idea of their standards of quality first hand...
Arken Optics is good stuff! I have been running one of their original EP4 4-16x50 MIL scopes on my 6.5CM. Good glass, good people!!
DK
For the budget conscience shooters wanting a US made scope with US made glass, this is one I have owned several of and can say that you'll not find a better deal when it comes to bang for the buck than with Swift. https://www.opticsplanet.com/swift-8...cope-678m.html
You can buy a better scope, and you can always pay more for a lesser scope. These come with an adjustable objective and I've shot mine out to 1000 yds and it rings the bell as well as my $1000 scopes. Mine is currently sitting on a 6.5 CM that is stupid accurate. What's not to like?!
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Clean your inbox so I can reply to your question before you go back home brother.
Expensive scopes are quite nice. But it’s been proven time & time again, there are budget optics which have outstanding clarity, tracking and reliability. I can’t justify $2000+++ on a scope because none of my use warrants it. What’s more.. if your rig outfit with a SUB $700 scope, can smack a man size gong at 1000yds, AT WILL, and you switch to $2500 unit....your accuracy is NOT going to magically improve close to 4X! Hell..it won’t improve even a little. Will it be more enjoyable? Maybe...I mean..expensive stuff is fun to play with. But 4X more fun?? Well, I guess that lies with the individual.
The Arken seems to have the precision and reliability down for a price that defies logic. After building big name scopes for the American market China decided to show us what they learned. The big names were very profit oriented for their distributors so everything was compromised.
I don't think you will find An Arken anywhere but on their site or in the classifieds. Recently you could get a Gen 1 Athlon Cronus BTR new from several distributors for less than 1200. It had the 56mm objective where all of the Arkens are 50mm. The fact that Arken cannot keep them on the shelf says that doesn't matter...At that price point. If i found one I would probably try one. There is no doubt you can get your money back.
Me, I am a glass snob. I have gut shot game and missed them with cheap scopes. So I no longer trust them.
EDIT: Read my post below
Buy Chinese junk ---- get Chinese junk.
Be American ---- buy American
Everything I've seen about them has been positive. The glass looks very good, and they are top-rated in their price category.
For the price, they are overachievers by most accounts.
Check out the videos by Cyclops on YouTube.
Arken has recently developed a reputation for delivering excellent tested specimens to reviewers. The current chit chat is a high number of delivered optics to the regular Joe are garbage and. The only way to fix that is to stop buying their junk until they fix it.
Most "reviewers" are on that take getting free products, hunts and who knows what else.
The Chinese are on the way to ruling the world and I chose not to help them.
I've not heard that before.Quote:
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Very disappointing, if true.
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It is understandable. The demand became unattainable when keeping up with QC.
Here is 2 years of post on the topic. You can see the quality drop off as it gains production and demand.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting...erged.6968543/
Sorry, But there hasn't been any scope that is 100% made in America in decades. Leupold's are assembled in the USA, but most of the parts are foreign.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99 K 30-30
Vortex has one that they say is made in the USA, but I doubt the lenses are.
Your best optics still come from Germany, Austria, and Japan. The worst optics still come from China, Taiwan, and the Philippines, but it all depends on the class of optics the Brand name specs. The Athlon Ares BTR, Midas Tac, and Midas BTR series are made in China, but are very well made, along with prices that are of higher quality optics.
IMO, If the MSRP price of a scope is less than $500, it's not a very good scope. You get what you pay for!
Well on this we can agree.Quote:
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No doubt old Jack O/C enjoyed many cocktails around safari campfires that had been paid for by those who didnt sign his regular paycheck.
But i also believe that China knows it wont rule the world with junk hardware.
Fact is they can build pretty good optics, and they can also sometimes be tuned up to be even better.
My first lazer rangefinder was a Swarovski, and it was junk as for performance.
I sent it back to them and they made it to be just a bit better junk.
I think they realized they couldnt compete in that market and stopped making them.
Lets be honest about all this, most of us here on the Savage site maybe arent really able or willing to spend what it takes to buy the best optics.
And thats the real reason why China will probably at some point rule the world.
And if i say anymore im apt to get kicked off the site. lol
I have owned several of their scopes, and they are impressive. They make it hard to justify spending 1000’s on other scopes.
DK