What did I do? Problem after bedding - shoots high now

I have had this 112 heavy barrel 223 for about 13 years. It always shoots great. I bedded it in a VLP stock and now it shoots so high I can't adjust the scope. It is about 5 inches higher than I can adjust for. I tried a different scope and it is still high, both Leupolds in the same mounts that have always been on the rifle. I actually ground it all out and rebedded it and it still is high, nothing changed. I am far from being good at bedding but it ain't brain surgery.

What the heck could have I done wrong? I could take my swift out of its stock just to see what happens but it is shooting fine. :)

Is the stock you bedded the same stock ?
IF it is then the bedding is the problem

Does the stock have pillars?
I try to position the action as close to pillars as possible when bedding
(Press the action down to the pillars when bedding)


I know this does not answer your question as what happened, just trying to get you shooting again
Maybe someone else will chime in and help out
Jack

It is a different stock. I think I got it from Numrich, it was supposed to be the VLP. It needed work, like it was almost ready but the action didn't fit. I had it a long time before I took the dremmel to it. I used surgical tubing as big rubber bands to hold it together when I did the bedding. This time I don't have and contact on the barrel or nut.

After thinking about it a little more, my reply about raising the action up at the rear will do absolutly nothing to make the gun shoot lower ( I have these crazy thoughts every once in a while LOL)
I will remove that statement

There has to be some stress in the action from the fit to the stock
That could "warp" the action enough to get things out of line
You want the barrel and barrel nut free floating as well as the tang
Since you have it bedded again make sure the recoil lug is only contacting on the action side of lug and the tang is freefloated

Need some help here fellow savage shooters
Jack

well, some pics of the bedding job would help us figure this out. did you make sure the recoil lug is not touching on the bottom, there should be some room under the recoil.

There shouldn't be any stress on the action from the stock fit. If there is, then he did the bedding wrong. A couple things to check. Is the barrel touching the stock in any place? Is the recoil lug touching any where but the rear of it? And is the rear tang touching the stock?

Obviously the problem is NOT in the bedding. Savage rifles are the most forgiving rifle ever made when it comes to bedding. To make one shoot that much high by changing the bedding would take a deliberate act of adding serious stress that would be obvious.

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

Obviously the problem is NOT in the bedding. Savage rifles are the most forgiving rifle ever made when it comes to bedding. To make one shoot that much high by changing the bedding would take a deliberate act of adding serious stress that would be obvious.

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Very good point! Thanks Sharpshooter

SSV1761982 did you remove the scope, rings, or mounts for bedding?
if so, do you have the scope mounted the same as before--rings and mounts/mount in same location (not switched)

I don't know if I switched the scope mounts front to rear or not. The Weaver bases have never been off, the rings are split vertically, don't know who made them but they have been fine for years. I'll double check clearance at the bottom of the recoil lug, I am sure the front of it is clear. Nothing is touching the barrel or the nut. It will be a few days but I'll try to post a couple pics. Thanks everybody.

If it groups, then what me worry? Either shim the front mount or maybe try lapping your rings.

The OP said this rifle is 13 yrs old. That makes it a flat back reciever. Sounds to me like the scope mounts have been reversed so now the scope points above the bore centerline. Worth a quick check.

El Lobo

It shouldnt be the bedding at all, unless the action is stressed badly when fitted to the stock. If that was the case the bolt probably would be hard to open and close.

It is obviously something in the mounting of the scope.

If the scope was mounted the same exact way it was before the bedding was done(same bases, same rings, same scope, etc), then it should have been very close to zero when re-installing the scope.

Just by chance are you using Burris Signature rings with the offset inserts? Maybe you got the front and rear rings reversed and now the offset is backwards.

If it is a flat rear action you cannot get the front and rear bases reversed so it shouldnt be that.

This may sound silly but did you swivel the scope in the mounts so you have an adjustment on the left side of the gun and at the top??? This is a wild curve ball,but worth asking as my buddy did that after he bedded his gun the first time and it wasnt even close at the range.

Might put it back in the original stock & see how it shoots, if scope does not zero it is scope/base issue. If it shoots OK in original stock, new stock has to be problem.

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Originally Posted by jonbearman

This may sound silly but did you swivel the scope in the mounts so you have an adjustment on the right side of the gun and at the top??? This is a wild curve ball,but worth asking as my buddy did that after he bedded his gun the first time and it wasnt even close at the range.

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Do you mean left and top?? I will admit that I did that once. :)

I fixed it,just another senior moment. I did it once too.

What was the fix?

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Originally Posted by jonbearman

I fixed it,just another senior moment. I did it once too.

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Cliffhanger.

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Originally Posted by jonbearman

I fixed it,just another senior moment. I did it once too.

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Well the rest of us old folks don't want to repete someone else's mistake if we don't have to and i can't hold my breath any longer my fingers are turning blue.

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Originally Posted by ellobo

The OP said this rifle is 13 yrs old. That makes it a flat back reciever. Sounds to me like the scope mounts have been reversed so now the scope points above the bore centerline. Worth a quick check.

El Lobo

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this sounds like the problem to me

ssv, come on, you're keeping us hanging here. let's see some pics or hear that you resolved the problem and what it was! we're curious!

I tried it in an unmolested BVSS stock and it shot the same - 5 inches high. I gave up and put a set of Burris rings with the offset bushings and it is fine. Groups great like it always has. I never figured out what I did but it shoots as good as it always has. I used brown shoe polish as my release agent - I didn't wipe enough off to prevent the brown stains on the bedding - oops.

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Took it out again tonight. 1st shot a little to the right, clicked one click to the left and put 5 more rounds down range. This is at 100 yds. This gun prolly has 2000-2500 rounds thru it.


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rock on, good shooting. I'm in need of a set of those burris sig rings. where'd you find those ones at?

I had the rings on the bench. Other than the stains does my bedding job look that bad?

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Originally Posted by ssv1761982

Other than the stains does my bedding job look that bad?

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Looks good to me.