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Hi. I am not new to building savages but I would like to know the best components for a 270 wsm/7mm wsm/300 wsm.
I am assuming a short action. Or would a long action be needed for running the long bullets out?
Typically large or small shank?
So would a regular short action work?
Right now I am thinking just get a short action (small shank), change the bolt head, get a wsm magazine, and a barrel and away I go?
Savage says use the large shank for WSM's and if you already had something I'd probably say different but since your starting anew I'd go with a large shank.
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I've built a few. I chose the long action so I can seat the heavy bullets anywhere I need to.
Short action is a little problematic with the availability of the proper bolt heads as well as the different length firing pin assemblies.
I also went small shank on my WSM's and RUM's(including a couple 338 Edge's). No problems. No need for large shank in my opinion.
I also prefer the straight 7mmWSM over the shorter shouldered ones. For the long range I'd rather have the FPS than the longer neck. Again, my opinion is the the benefit of longer neck is negated since I am likely jamming the bullets into the lands. Since there is no jump, by the time the base of the bullet leaves the neck, plenty of the ogive will be seated into the lands giving proper initial support to the bullet.
Others will argue that there is better brass for the 270/300 based design. I agree(kind of). But with a simple neck size and fireform, the same brass can be used in the straight 7mmWSM.
Here's a piece of Norma 300wsm that's been neck sized to 7mm next to a piece of Winchester 7mmWSM. Not much needed to push the shoulder out.
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I didn't know these variations even existed. What barrel maker did you use? Could you elaborate on the differences between the "shorter shoulder ones" and the "straight" ones?Quote:
I also prefer the straight 7mmWSM over the shorter shouldered ones. For the long range I'd rather have the FPS than the longer neck. Again, my opinion is the the benefit of longer neck is negated since I am likely jamming the bullets into the lands. Since there is no jump, by the time the base of the bullet leaves the neck, plenty of the ogive will be seated into the lands giving proper initial support to the bullet.
I thought you were talking about the 7mm/270wsm or 7mm/300wsm wildcat.
All of the WSM's are the same length. However the 7mm version is a little different than the others. It has a shorter neck but that means the body is longer.
The 270 and 300wsm's are the same except for the neck diameter.
Since the 7mm has more body and a shorter neck, it has more case capacity.
Shorter shoulder one=270 or 300wsm
Straight ones=the factory 7mmWSM
Wildcat=7mm/270wsm or 7mm/300wsm(these are made from 270 or 300wsm and keep the body length)
geargrinder: what coal are you using for your 7mm long range bullets (I assume you are using the high bc bullets)?
Just as another option, you can now get a long action large shank if you buy one of the new 375 Ruger models. If you wanted a long action and also a large shank, that would be the way to go. I bought one myself for that very reason.
I'd have to check my notes for the COAL, but I was using Berger 180g VLD's, and Wildcat 200g RBBT VLD's. Looking forward to the Berger 195's.Quote:
Originally Posted by redman
Just wondering. If the COAL was say under 2.9" I would rather run a short action. Id probably opt for a 284 or a 280ai if going long action. Most of my interest in the wsm cartridges is the fact you can use a short action.
BTW: Thanks for all the comments/help.
I know I was longer than 2.9" with the 200g's.Quote:
Originally Posted by redman
I've been running a 300 WSM as a repeater on a large shank short action for a few years. My barrel is a PacNor with a standard throat and you really won't gain anything by running it out of a long action. If you used an extended throat then it may be worth using a long action. I have no problem getting the 185 Bergers to shoot .3 MOA at 2900 fps and feed from an Accurate Mags magazine. I'm pretty happy with the combo.
Andrew
I'm jealous of everyone doing long range builds... I don't have a range over 300yards here. Pretty pointless to build a long range rig when I know i can never test it's potential.
I really want to build a 338 edge. But until we get a long range it's not going to happen.
Your going to want more than 2.9 for the 180 Berger in the 7WSM......somewhere around 3.10 depending on actual throat measurements and how much jump it wants.
If you dont have the action yet =get a long one. Specially if you put a one piece base on there is not enough difference in the stiffness to make or break anything.
I've built a couple 338 Edges. They shot so well it was boring. So, I got rid of it. The other problem was that it was too big and heavy. It was a 32" #7 barrel plus a brake. It was a chore to even take to the range. 30" varmint would have been much better choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1983Weatherby
I have a Model 11, originally a 300wsm, that has a 243 wssm 28" shillen and a 30" Savage bull, rechambered from 308 to 300wsm. Both shoot very good for me and the 30" Savage barrels can be had on here for a decent price at times. The rig sits in a Stocky's thumbhole stock. This gun is now dedicated to the wsm or wssm because changing the firing pin out for other non-magnum rounds is time consuming. I did it once and won't do it again.
Yeah but how much longer are the 175-190gr high bc 7mm bullets than the 185 gr 30 cals. you are shooting?Quote:
Originally Posted by yorketransport
so where are you seating the bullet to in your case? Is the bottom of the bullet about flush with the bottom of the neck? by bottom of the bullet I mean before it goes to the boattailQuote:
Originally Posted by CJnWy
If the barrel is chambered with a standard SAMMI throat, you will likely need to seat the bullets pretty deep no matter what. I have a Win Model 70 in 7mm WSM and I can seat the Barnes 140gr TTSX to touch the lands with a COAL of 2.85". A longer action would only help if the chamber were cut with a long throat.Quote:
Originally Posted by redman
Andrew
Just move to southeast Idaho where I'm at. We got the Rocky Mountains as well as lots of desert to shoot in. "It's the marrow of the world."Quote:
Originally Posted by 1983Weatherby
Yeah it's the same with my 260ai thats saami spec (short throated anyway). I am just wondering if it would be worth extending the throat out or not if I were to build the 7 wsm. What is the advantage besides more room in the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by yorketransport
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Originally Posted by redman
More room means more powder. More powder means more FPS. All with the same pressure. That's a pretty important advantage in long range.
If that's the theory you go by why not go with a 7 RUM?:bolt:Quote:
Originally Posted by geargrinder
How many more feet per second?
Sorry to bring up an old thread, I'm looking into building a 270 WSM for long-ish range shooting/hunting off a Savage action. I realize the 270 is the least popular of these for long-range, but I've been using some .277 bullets made here in Canada that have been pretty awesome so far in my Browning X-Bolt sporter.
Anyways, does anyone have any idea what the max OAL you can seat a bullet out to with a DBM, SA based action, as well as one converted to AI mags? My current load for 165 Gr Matrix VLD's is set to my current mag's max, which is 2.920 OAL, and it's not quite in the lands, but shoots sub-MOA. There are also some 175 Gr VLD's the same company offers that I would like to try with a 1-9 twist barrel, and I imagine I would need/like to seat them out a bit further and have the barrel cut with a bit more freebore to gain a little room in the cartridge. Any input would be helpful! Trying to see if I'll need to go LA for my intentions, and maybe this is a newb-ish question, but which centerfeed magazine would be used with a WSM cartridge for either SA or LA.
Cheers,
TT
<60 grains vs >80 grainsQuote:
Originally Posted by redman
Got one of those too! Had to put it in a Remington with a Wyatt Centerfeed extended box. Just under 4" COAL with the 180g VLD. Much more FPS!Quote:
Originally Posted by redman
Much more powder too. About 65g with the WSM over 100g with the RUM.
For a WSM in a SA you will need a WSM magazine, for a LA you can use a Standard Magnum Magazine (for a 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_270WSM
If it were me, I'd go Long Action and then have no worries about your OAL. The WSM's I have had fed fine from Centerfeed Magnum Magazines in the Long Action. Also, if you build a WSM on a Short Action, you will need a WSM bolt head, or a bolt head converted from a LA-Magnum bolt head (unless of course your SA was a WSM to start with). For the Long Action you just use a Standard Magnum Bolthead.