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I just recieved a brand new savage SA that I aquired in a trade. The action came from Jim at NSS. The action came with the 1.5# spring in a small plastic bag. How can I tell whether or not the 1.5# spring was installed before it shipped or if the factory spring is still on the action?
put a 1.5 pound weight on the trigger and see if it trips?
The 1 1/2 lb. spring is in the bag. The Accu-Trigger Spring on the action is original.
Jim Briggs
NSS
Does this mean that changing a standard Accutrigger to a varmint Accutrigger is a simple spring change? Jim, do you sell those?
Seems that way. I saw a mod online which cuts the original spring to get it lighter to go to 1.5 lbs. I like buying a spring designed accurately for this better than cutting original to make it shorter.
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NSS does offer the standard Savage 1 1/2 lb. Varmint/Tactical Accu-Trigger spring. We normally have them in stock.
Jim Briggs
NSS
The Varmint/Tactical Accu-Trigger spring is the easiest, cheapest and safest way to get down to around a 1.5 lb Accu-Trigger. Changing the standard AT spring to the varmint AT spring is the first thing I do when I get a new Savage action. Good to know that NSS has them in stock.
If someone could give me a simple explanation of how to swap the spring I would be greatly appreciative. It looks pretty easy but, I do not want to end up messing something up.
The Varmint spring is silver in color, the other spring is a brownish color.
Sweet, I ordered one of these two days ago from Jim when I also ordered another couple of barrel nuts and recoil pads.
Had not seen this thread then.
I tried ordering a lighter spring from SSS and didn't have very good luck. They sent me a new spring that looked just like my factory AT spring, Brownish colored. I installed it and at the lightest setting was 3 lbs! I emailed Lisa at SSS and explained the situation and that maybe I got the wrong spring by mistake? She was pretty sure they had sent me the correct spring but offered to send me a replacement. I got the replacement spring and again it was the Brownish colored spring. Installed it and again on the lightest setting it would only go down to 2.75 lbs, (I could get my stock spring to go down to 2.5 lbs no problem). Again I emailed Lisa and explained the situation and she was pretty emphatic that she had sent me the "Light" spring and that my action must be "out of spec". I sent both springs back for a refund and ended up doing the spring modification trick and got it down to 2 lbs by swapping the Blade spring to the trigger and using a ballpoint pen spring for the Blade. I'd still like to get a Varmint spring so I can get it down to 1.5 lbs though.
Hey Jim, I just emailed you to see if you have these springs in stock? Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by northlander
So...let me see if I understand this...is this the same 1.5 lb trigger spring that comes on red blade PTA actions? If so I could take a regular Accu-Trigger action, replace the spring with a 1.5 lb spring and essentially have a PTA trigger without the red blade..am I correct?
No. There is a standard Accutrigger spring that will allow you to adjust trigger pull down to around 2.5 lbs in my experience. There is a varmint Accutrigger spring that allows you to adjust down to around 1.5 lbs. The target Accutrigger (red blade) sear design, and not just the spring is what allows it to be adjusted much lower than possible with standard or varmint Accutrigger springs.
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Originally Posted by jpdown
Capt beach you are correct, the red blade target accu-trigger uses the same silver spring that is used in the varmint accutrigger. There is no third spring. The target accu-trigger gets is light weight from the sear, (That has a different angle to the engagement surface.) which is IDed with a little dimple by the bolt releases. Now the blade spring that controls the safety engagement blade in the middle of the accutrigger has a different spring. To further answer your now placing the silver spring into your accu-trigger will not make it a target accutrigger, you need the special sear, that has a different engagement angle on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAPTBEACH
On a side note, I don't know why people keep dragging up old threads that are over half a year old. This thread was dead and was moving on to 7 months old until it was dragged up yesterday.
SO if I understand this correctly...Regular Accu-Trigger + Silver Light Weight Spring(1.5 lb) + Target Trigger SEAR = Target Trigger (Red Blade PTA style) conversion... so the real question might be...is the Target SEAR interchangeable?
If you can find one, yes.
Some of us are new to the forum and found it useful apparently. ;) I'm always in school, everyday I learn something new! :)
Can someone post a picture of the standard weight spring.... and the 1.5 lb spring.... side-by-side?
I just purchased the "1.5 lb" spring from SSS...and got a brown colored spring in a clear bag, with no part number or part description. How do I know?. Are we sure the 1.5 lb Varmint/Tactical is silver in color.... always?
All I can tell you is that the 2 SSS sent me were Brown and were NOT the 1.5lb springs. Install it and check your pull, that's what I did on both. Lisa swears those are the "Light" springs but I think they got sent the wrong springs on their order.
I think I got the wrong part even though we went over this with quite some detail over the phone. The problem is I'm using this spring in another ( non-standard) application and cannot check pull weights the normal way.....it's going into a different gun. But what I know I need for the project is the Accutrigger 1.5 lb spring. Why the heck aren't these springs put in a bag with part number, to keep this all straight ??
Just to add to the confusion....if I research the websites.....the 1.5 lb spring is either Savage part number 105270, or 105267.....even here I can't get the straight dope.
Can you tell me if the 1.5 lb springs are always silver ???
I could have purchased from Jim at NSS....but he needs a $50 minimum order, something I wasn't prepared to do as I only needed the springs.
From what I've read and been told, yes they are silver. Here's a pic of a "Target" trigger with the 1.5lb spring.
http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-cont...2/savage-c.jpg
Man, after reading all this, I like my target action more and more every day!
All of the 1 1/2 lb. springs that we have seen have been the light brown color. We actually saw the silver colored springs as the 2 1/2 to 3 lb. trigger weight level. Savage has changed things so often that Pat may have seen a 1 1/2 lb. spring that was silver but all of the ones that we have gotten have been the light brown.
Jim Briggs
NSS
Jim:
I appreciate your update on this, .....it helps me and undoubtedly others here too. The spring I have may indeed be the correct one afterall.
Not to beat a dead horse ( too late !), but the spring I'm asking about to verify if it is the 1.5 lb version....has an upper "fat" portion of the spring that shows its lower 3 coils "touching". As to dimensions---> Using my digital micrometer, wire diameter is about 0.027".... fat wound diameter is ~ 0.260"...thinner base wound diameter is ~0.164"....overall length ( not including pilot "tit") is about 0.80 ". Top (fat) length is ~ 0.47" not including the tit...and the lower thinner section is ~ 0.33" long. I'm hoping this is the correct 1.5 lb spring.
Hey Jim, the 2 springs that SSS sent me were brown in color, but when I installed them in my rifle and set them at the lowest setting they actually produced higher trigger pulls than my stock spring. My stock spring can be set to 2.5 lbs at the lowest setting. The ones I received came in at 2.75 and 3 lbs at their lowest settings. Lisa said my action must be "out of spec" which I didn't buy as if it were I don't think I would be able to get it as low as I can with the stock spring?
I got mine from gunshack, they were silver and adjusted below 1.5 pounds, I bumped them up to just under 2 pounds because thats where I like them. did 4 rifles with them. I didnt know Jim carried the springs, any chance you can get the sears Jim?
I contacted the 3 shops that supposedly have this spring.... NSS....SSS ...and Gunshack.
Jim and his crew at NSS was nice and polite ( as we see here)...but had a $50 minimum order, so that didn't work for me. Gunshack said a few weeks ago that they were "out" of this part, and will likely get more mid/end of April. That left me talking to Lisa at SSS...who had them in-stock and was willing to sell a small $ part order. Problem is what we are facing....not knowing "for sure" what the heck I got. The part came in a clear, unmarked ziplock baggie, no part number anywhere. When I pressed her about this being the right part, she said she thinks so, ...that's what's she's told, etc, etc..... not very confidence inspiring.
I've found out this info in the meantime.... hope it can help others here avoid this sort of nonsense--->
6 oz spring.....part number #106424
1.5 lb spring...part number #105270
2.5 lb spring...part number #105696
Savage will sell you this part if you first sign a liability waiver that they will send you upon request. But I think you must also be on-record of having a centerfire Accutrigger rifle... I didn't have this. I'm using this spring in another gun project I'm working on. Savage will sell this for $2 or even free, depending on how your talks go with them as you order ( they will sneak-in a "warranty" claim).
If any of you guys do this through Savage or others....maybe ask for 2 or 3 springs and help out some guys here ?????
All we needed was getting a part in a labeled bag with part number....done. Why this isn't done is a mystery and beyond me.
+1 Chuk! The trigger on my FCP-SR feels like less than a lb., Feels like zero take-up or pre-travel too. Got 500 rounds thru her and not one misfire or any issue. It's making my 3lb Timney on my AR feel like a bad trigger!
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Originally Posted by chukarmandoo
Well new people come along needing the information and in this case I needed it, very helpful. As I have an order into NSS I am adding the 1.5 spring to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 82boy
Any reason we can't get the sear for the Target Acu trigger )(assume from Savage>?)
I think I am good with the 1.5 lb but curious about future option.
And while I am getting up to speed, is there a sticky for this subject?
I think there should be, I see everything else (very nice) but not one on the acu trigger and its variations. Getting there but still scattered all around.
thanks to all
You would have to have a gunsmith order it for you. Savage will not sell it to regular customers, it's a restricted part.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC20
Part number is: SEAR (6 OZ.) - P/N: 106427 $15.00
Also you might be interested in getting the whole 6 oz target trigger kit: 6OZ. TRIGGER KIT - P/N: 107323 $62.00
Good luck!
Will they sell the sear with the your warrant per use (liability waiver) or is that more restricted?
Again currently just curious and gathering information than want to do it. I like the 1.5 on the Varmint and have the spring ordered with the new barrel for the project rifle from NSS
I am surprised that I can tell the difference between the 2.5 and 1.5 and seem to be inching (or inch pounding) more so its possible I will go over the edge.
I continue to be tickled with the modular nature of the Savages and all the options out there, far exceeds anything else I have looked at.
I am not into in depth tech work (at home, get enough of it at work) the nature of the Savage is easy enough that its not a chore.
Precision Target Accu trigger goes from 2.5 lbs. to 6 oz pull by adjusting it.
Well I found my current limit Saturday! I had 3 or 4 go off before I thought they would (all fully controled and aimed at target)
So the 1.5 lb is more than good enough for me at least for now. I may leave it there or adjust up a tad. It came at must have been 2 lbs at least cross check with the non Varmint setup.
I do have the spring ordered from NSS. Had not seen them listed on their site.
Learning about these is turning out to be darned interesting in all sorts of ways!
I think I am good with the Varmint! I may change my mind down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fotheringill